Vegas has Hidden My Audio Crossfades... at DVinfo.net

Mathew Kurtz · July 18th, 2007, 02:39 PM

*See attached video*

I've just gone through an hour of footage and blended the sound between clips so that it seems to flow together. I've saved my project and gone back to it the day after, and Vegas seems to have hidden my crossfades, not just cosmetically but through playback as well! I am able to fix it usually by redragging the edge of the clip, at which time the crossfade magically re-appears (see video example i've attached)

Has some strange option been turned on? Currently I have automatic crossfading and event snapping turned on.

Very silly, not impressed :(

Mike Kujbida · July 18th, 2007, 09:15 PM

Did "quantize to frames" accidentally get turned off?

Edward Troxel · July 19th, 2007, 06:55 AM

Also, what version of Vegas? (5, 6, 7, a, b, c, d, e????)

Mathew Kurtz · July 19th, 2007, 10:25 AM

Looks like quantize to frames has been on. It sounds like it should be turned off though in this case judging by the option description, if it had anything to do with the problem.

Version 6.0d build 210

Sleeping on it didn't help either :(

Mathew Kurtz · July 19th, 2007, 10:54 AM

Another video illustration of this odd problem. It looks like the clips have just been layered incorrectly somehow...I don't understand how Vegas can tolerate that kind of information though...would this even be possible to do under normal circumstances?

Mike Kujbida · July 19th, 2007, 10:55 AM

IMO, the ONLY time you want quantize to frames turned off is if you're doing serious audio editing or if you're trying to match sound sync between 2 or more cameras. Otherwise, leave it on as it makes sure that audio is properly lined up with a video frame, especially if you're splitting clips.

Going back to the clip you posted, I noticed something strange (to me anyway).
As soon as you start to drag the clip, the opposite end of the clips shifts as well. That's not normal behaviour. I've never seen it happen before and can't offer an explanation for it.

Edward Troxel · July 19th, 2007, 12:49 PM

Can you post a copy of the VEG file somewhere so we can look at it? Is it possible you may have duplicated the events (i.e. and accidental CTRL-Drag - and, yes, I've done that before!)?

Mathew Kurtz · July 19th, 2007, 12:55 PM

edit: removed vegas file

And no, I checked and there's only one copy of each audio event.

Edward Troxel · July 19th, 2007, 01:18 PM

I did not have version 6.0d handy to try it in. However, I tried it in a newer version of Vegas and it opened just fine with the proper crossfades at area presented in the video clip above.

Mathew Kurtz · July 19th, 2007, 01:50 PM

Hah, yeah I failed to realize that I had already gone through a fixed all the crossfades in the file I uploaded, so I guess I kind of ruined that oppourtunity.

If it happens again I'll post a proper vegas file. Any other suggestions for now though? Just seems like a glitch, I'm thinking I should just re-install and send Sony my documentation.

July 19th, 2007, 06:55 AM	#3
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Also, what version of Vegas? (5, 6, 7, a, b, c, d, e????) __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

July 19th, 2007, 12:49 PM	#7
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Can you post a copy of the VEG file somewhere so we can look at it? Is it possible you may have duplicated the events (i.e. and accidental CTRL-Drag - and, yes, I've done that before!)? __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

July 19th, 2007, 12:55 PM	#8
Mathew Kurtz Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Courtenay, British Columbia Posts: 39	edit: removed vegas file And no, I checked and there's only one copy of each audio event. Last edited by Mathew Kurtz; July 19th, 2007 at 01:48 PM.

July 19th, 2007, 01:18 PM	#9
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I did not have version 6.0d handy to try it in. However, I tried it in a newer version of Vegas and it opened just fine with the proper crossfades at area presented in the video clip above. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

July 18th, 2007, 09:15 PM	#2
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Did "quantize to frames" accidentally get turned off?

July 19th, 2007, 10:25 AM	#4
Mathew Kurtz Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Courtenay, British Columbia Posts: 39	Looks like quantize to frames has been on. It sounds like it should be turned off though in this case judging by the option description, if it had anything to do with the problem. Version 6.0d build 210 Sleeping on it didn't help either :(

July 19th, 2007, 10:55 AM	#6
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	IMO, the ONLY time you want quantize to frames turned off is if you're doing serious audio editing or if you're trying to match sound sync between 2 or more cameras. Otherwise, leave it on as it makes sure that audio is properly lined up with a video frame, especially if you're splitting clips. Going back to the clip you posted, I noticed something strange (to me anyway). As soon as you start to drag the clip, the opposite end of the clips shifts as well. That's not normal behaviour. I've never seen it happen before and can't offer an explanation for it.

July 19th, 2007, 01:50 PM	#10
Mathew Kurtz Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Courtenay, British Columbia Posts: 39	Hah, yeah I failed to realize that I had already gone through a fixed all the crossfades in the file I uploaded, so I guess I kind of ruined that oppourtunity. If it happens again I'll post a proper vegas file. Any other suggestions for now though? Just seems like a glitch, I'm thinking I should just re-install and send Sony my documentation.