Sony Vegas -> Uncompressed -> On2 Flix Pro -- Help!?!/ at DVinfo.net

Jon McGuffin · July 14th, 2007, 08:51 AM

I'm having difficulties exporting my timeline in a format that is non-compressed yet On2 Flix Pro software can easily read. I need to create high quality .flv files to insert into my website using this "new" On2 VP6 codec.

My workflow is to export the Vegas timeline to an .avi file using the Sony YUV HDV 1080i format which, as I understand it, is a true uncompressed output file.

I then go to fire up the $250 On2 Flix Pro software and browse to point to the source file and everything seems okay but I see no video in their preview window and when I encode to Flash, there is nothing but a blank screen. I'm also asking flash to downcovert the video to 384 X 216 and maintain the source video's FPS.

I'm also trying some various Quicktime .mov uncompressed formats and though I'm getting video output, the quality is lackluster.

I'm keeping the resolution to 384 x 216 which is exactly 1/5th of my source (1920X1080). Framerate is 29.97fps, datarate is 384kb/sec. Nothing is looking even close to the stuff I see around the web in terms of quality and I know my input quality is good.

Any suggestions on another output format I can choose from within Vegas that will not compress the video?

Jon

Emre Safak · July 14th, 2007, 09:14 AM

Are you sure Flix is compatible with the Sony YUY format? If not, what codecs can it read? Surely there must be a list.

For increased quality I would halve the frame rate and increase the resolution and bit rate.

Jon McGuffin · July 14th, 2007, 10:10 AM

I have read ALL through the On2 website and there is no listing of compatable input codec's. They mention that they prefer Uncompressed video input.

Decreasing the video size is not realistic for the project I'm doing because and frankly, I shouldn't have to. I see examples of video's posted all over the place that are my size and larger that look SIGNIFICANTLY better. So something else is a miss.

Frankly, I can't get Vegas to export a movie that looks as good as my HDV source material period.

Emre Safak · July 14th, 2007, 10:41 AM

I said increase, not decrease! I forgot to mention that you should de-interlace your videos first too. That makes a big difference.

Bill Ravens · July 14th, 2007, 11:05 AM

I was under the impression that the Sony YUV codec was proprietary and could only be read within Vegas, but, I might be wrong.

Jon McGuffin · July 14th, 2007, 12:01 PM

Hello Emre,

When I'm exporting, I typically choose to export as progressive scan (non-interlaced). Do I still need to deinterlace the footage again?

Jon McGuffin · July 14th, 2007, 12:02 PM

Frankly, I don't care which CODEC I use to export the video off the Vegas Timeline. I just need to figure out how to get the best quality from this Flix Pro 8.5 software. I've read their manual, their online help, the FAQ, etc.

These are the guys who invented the Codec and the quality is bad... I don't get it...

Jon

Emre Safak · July 14th, 2007, 03:14 PM

If you exported as de-interlaced that should be enough.

Relax. We are going to get to the bottom of your issue.

My suggestion is to feed Flix a high bit-rate MPEG-2 video.

July 14th, 2007, 08:51 AM	#1
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	Sony Vegas -> Uncompressed -> On2 Flix Pro -- Help!?!/ I'm having difficulties exporting my timeline in a format that is non-compressed yet On2 Flix Pro software can easily read. I need to create high quality .flv files to insert into my website using this "new" On2 VP6 codec. My workflow is to export the Vegas timeline to an .avi file using the Sony YUV HDV 1080i format which, as I understand it, is a true uncompressed output file. I then go to fire up the $250 On2 Flix Pro software and browse to point to the source file and everything seems okay but I see no video in their preview window and when I encode to Flash, there is nothing but a blank screen. I'm also asking flash to downcovert the video to 384 X 216 and maintain the source video's FPS. I'm also trying some various Quicktime .mov uncompressed formats and though I'm getting video output, the quality is lackluster. I'm keeping the resolution to 384 x 216 which is exactly 1/5th of my source (1920X1080). Framerate is 29.97fps, datarate is 384kb/sec. Nothing is looking even close to the stuff I see around the web in terms of quality and I know my input quality is good. Any suggestions on another output format I can choose from within Vegas that will not compress the video? Jon

July 14th, 2007, 09:14 AM	#2
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	Are you sure Flix is compatible with the Sony YUY format? If not, what codecs can it read? Surely there must be a list. For increased quality I would halve the frame rate and increase the resolution and bit rate.

July 14th, 2007, 10:10 AM	#3
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	I have read ALL through the On2 website and there is no listing of compatable input codec's. They mention that they prefer Uncompressed video input. Decreasing the video size is not realistic for the project I'm doing because and frankly, I shouldn't have to. I see examples of video's posted all over the place that are my size and larger that look SIGNIFICANTLY better. So something else is a miss. Frankly, I can't get Vegas to export a movie that looks as good as my HDV source material period.

July 14th, 2007, 10:41 AM	#4
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	I said increase, not decrease! I forgot to mention that you should de-interlace your videos first too. That makes a big difference.

July 14th, 2007, 11:05 AM	#5
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	I was under the impression that the Sony YUV codec was proprietary and could only be read within Vegas, but, I might be wrong.

July 14th, 2007, 12:01 PM	#6
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	Hello Emre, When I'm exporting, I typically choose to export as progressive scan (non-interlaced). Do I still need to deinterlace the footage again?

July 14th, 2007, 12:02 PM	#7
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	Frankly, I don't care which CODEC I use to export the video off the Vegas Timeline. I just need to figure out how to get the best quality from this Flix Pro 8.5 software. I've read their manual, their online help, the FAQ, etc. These are the guys who invented the Codec and the quality is bad... I don't get it... Jon

July 14th, 2007, 03:14 PM	#8
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	If you exported as de-interlaced that should be enough. Relax. We are going to get to the bottom of your issue. My suggestion is to feed Flix a high bit-rate MPEG-2 video.