Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q3Q4)

Robert Kirkpatrick · July 8th, 2004, 12:10 PM

I asked a similar question in this thread: 16:9 and Vegas. Both replies given work well.

Edward Troxel · July 8th, 2004, 01:02 PM

You may also want to look at the tools available at http://www.zenote.com. These tools are MUCH faster and can be used to simulate the same looks found in Magic Bullet.

Simon Wyndham · July 8th, 2004, 02:53 PM

Thanks for the advice guys.

Yeah, I've often recreated similar effects to MB for my own projects in Vegas and used some of the alternatives (before Vegas I used to use Film FX in AE). None of them offer the subtleties the MB (at least the full version) have.

Such a shame that Digital FIlm Tools don't want to make their plugin for Vegas. The email I had back off them when I enquired was, to say the least, not much in favour of the Vegas system!

It's not essential that I use the Magic Bullet looks. It's just nice to have some of the presets there without having to try and recreate them.

Here are a few shots from a community video I did recently with my own combinations of filters (ie no MB done in Vegas 4)

http://www.freewebs.com/fallenangelstest/snap1.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/fallenangelstest/snap2.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/fallenangelstest/snap3.jpg

Rob Lohman · July 8th, 2004, 03:14 PM

Is Vegas slow on your 1.3 *with* MB applied or without? I had
it running fast enough without on a 433 mhz celeron and a 900
mhz pentium 2. Again I don't know about MB.

Do you have Vegas or not? Otherwise you might try out the demo
on this 3 GHz machine? Or are you just asking what you can
expect when this machine arrives?

Sorry I can't be of any more help.

Rob Lohman · July 8th, 2004, 03:28 PM

You can do this easily from within Vegas if you have DiVX (MPEG4)
installed for example:

- Save as type: Video for Windows (*.avi)
- click Custom
- Video tab
- Video format = DiVX / XviD etc.
- click Configure

Simon Wyndham · July 8th, 2004, 03:33 PM

Hi Rob. Just want to know what to realistically expect from a 3ghz machine.

On my 1.33ghz Ahtlon the Vegas interface itself is fine. But apply even a simple filter and previews can become a pain. I do a lot of community funded videos which involve a lot of very fast shooting with kids in schools and half term workshops in mostly unprepared locations with no lighting setups etc. Because of the wide variety of situations I find myself shooting in with varying lighting conditions I often find myself doing a lot of colour correction due to mixed lighting sources, or just generally having no decent light to begin with.

It's pretty much a case of people expecting miracles from nothing! So my 1.33 is pretty stretched a lot of the time. That coupled with often having many jobs to do, I'm sure you can understand that I want to vastly reduce the rendering times and make running a second version of Vegas at the same time feasible.

Simon Wyndham · July 8th, 2004, 03:35 PM

Forgot to say in answer to your question that yes, I had Vegas 4 and have recently upgraded to Vegas 5 and DVDA 2. I also realise that some might think that the effects I want to do with regard to community videos is overkill. But I prefer to give all my videos a decent look rather than making them look flat and 'standard'.

Further I will also be working on my second DV feature in the coming months.

Dylan Couper · July 8th, 2004, 09:42 PM

I don't have DivX or any other codecs installed, where do I get it from and how do I install it?

Thanks

Vegas rules.

Emre Safak · July 8th, 2004, 10:44 PM

http://www.doom9.org/software.htm#codecs

xvid is a good MPEG-4 codec if your source is clean, but it degrades with noise and shake.

Rob Lohman · July 9th, 2004, 01:24 AM

Get DiVX here

I would not go with XviD since it is less distributed than DiVX.

Glenn Chan · July 9th, 2004, 07:00 AM

How does MB compare to the median filter? ;)

2- Not sure how a 1.33ghz Athlon (FSB?) compares to a Pentium, but the Pentium should be at least two times faster. A Pentium 3.0C is fairly good bang for the buck considering you can't get much faster with Vegas. You could go with a multiprocessor (a tad faster) or with another NLE or a render farm.

Emre Safak · July 9th, 2004, 10:21 AM

That is no reason not to use it. They both conform to the MPEG-4 standard, and can decode each other's streams.

Randall Campbell · July 9th, 2004, 01:55 PM

Thanks for all of the feedback on Beta 1 of the Veggie Toolkit!

Beta 2 is now available at: http://www.peachrock.com/software/veggie-toolkit.html

I have incorporated many of the suggestions and fixed a few bugs in this release. I am planning a Beta 3 release that will focus on enhancements to Capture Cutter and MultiRender. If you have any suggestions for making these tools better, please let me know.

Thanks,

Randall

Simon Wyndham · July 9th, 2004, 02:45 PM

I have just loaded up Vegas 5 to try and capture some video. But I got a message saying that video capture wasn't shut down properly the last time I used is, and a question asking me if I wished to load the project. I have tried answering both yes and no, and each time video capture tries to load and then crashes out.

I have just uninstalled Vegas 5, and then reinstalled it. I still cannot get video capture to load up! It still gives me the same message! Anyone any ideas? I'm desperate!

Guy Bruner · July 9th, 2004, 08:32 PM

Try starting just the VidCap program. Using Windows Explorer, go to the Vegas 5 folder and double click on vidcap50.exe. Make sure all background programs are stopped...including virus checkers. CTRL-ALT-DEL to get to task manager, then click the applications tab and make sure nothing is running in the background. If something other than vidcap is running, stop it.

July 8th, 2004, 03:14 PM	#94
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Is Vegas slow on your 1.3 with MB applied or without? I had it running fast enough without on a 433 mhz celeron and a 900 mhz pentium 2. Again I don't know about MB. Do you have Vegas or not? Otherwise you might try out the demo on this 3 GHz machine? Or are you just asking what you can expect when this machine arrives? Sorry I can't be of any more help. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 8th, 2004, 03:28 PM	#95
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	You can do this easily from within Vegas if you have DiVX (MPEG4) installed for example: - Save as type: Video for Windows (*.avi) - click Custom - Video tab - Video format = DiVX / XviD etc. - click Configure __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 8th, 2004, 09:42 PM	#98
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	I don't have DivX or any other codecs installed, where do I get it from and how do I install it? Thanks Vegas rules. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

July 9th, 2004, 01:24 AM	#100
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Get DiVX here I would not go with XviD since it is less distributed than DiVX. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 9th, 2004, 01:55 PM	#103
Randall Campbell Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 69	Beta 2 Now Available Thanks for all of the feedback on Beta 1 of the Veggie Toolkit! Beta 2 is now available at: http://www.peachrock.com/software/veggie-toolkit.html I have incorporated many of the suggestions and fixed a few bugs in this release. I am planning a Beta 3 release that will focus on enhancements to Capture Cutter and MultiRender. If you have any suggestions for making these tools better, please let me know. Thanks, Randall

July 8th, 2004, 12:10 PM	#91
Robert Kirkpatrick Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 199	I asked a similar question in this thread: 16:9 and Vegas. Both replies given work well.

July 8th, 2004, 01:02 PM	#92
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You may also want to look at the tools available at http://www.zenote.com. These tools are MUCH faster and can be used to simulate the same looks found in Magic Bullet.

July 8th, 2004, 02:53 PM	#93
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Thanks for the advice guys. Yeah, I've often recreated similar effects to MB for my own projects in Vegas and used some of the alternatives (before Vegas I used to use Film FX in AE). None of them offer the subtleties the MB (at least the full version) have. Such a shame that Digital FIlm Tools don't want to make their plugin for Vegas. The email I had back off them when I enquired was, to say the least, not much in favour of the Vegas system! It's not essential that I use the Magic Bullet looks. It's just nice to have some of the presets there without having to try and recreate them. Here are a few shots from a community video I did recently with my own combinations of filters (ie no MB done in Vegas 4) http://www.freewebs.com/fallenangelstest/snap1.jpg http://www.freewebs.com/fallenangelstest/snap2.jpg http://www.freewebs.com/fallenangelstest/snap3.jpg

July 8th, 2004, 03:33 PM	#96
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Hi Rob. Just want to know what to realistically expect from a 3ghz machine. On my 1.33ghz Ahtlon the Vegas interface itself is fine. But apply even a simple filter and previews can become a pain. I do a lot of community funded videos which involve a lot of very fast shooting with kids in schools and half term workshops in mostly unprepared locations with no lighting setups etc. Because of the wide variety of situations I find myself shooting in with varying lighting conditions I often find myself doing a lot of colour correction due to mixed lighting sources, or just generally having no decent light to begin with. It's pretty much a case of people expecting miracles from nothing! So my 1.33 is pretty stretched a lot of the time. That coupled with often having many jobs to do, I'm sure you can understand that I want to vastly reduce the rendering times and make running a second version of Vegas at the same time feasible.

July 8th, 2004, 03:35 PM	#97
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Forgot to say in answer to your question that yes, I had Vegas 4 and have recently upgraded to Vegas 5 and DVDA 2. I also realise that some might think that the effects I want to do with regard to community videos is overkill. But I prefer to give all my videos a decent look rather than making them look flat and 'standard'. Further I will also be working on my second DV feature in the coming months.

July 8th, 2004, 10:44 PM	#99
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	http://www.doom9.org/software.htm#codecs xvid is a good MPEG-4 codec if your source is clean, but it degrades with noise and shake.

July 9th, 2004, 07:00 AM	#101
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	How does MB compare to the median filter? ;) 2- Not sure how a 1.33ghz Athlon (FSB?) compares to a Pentium, but the Pentium should be at least two times faster. A Pentium 3.0C is fairly good bang for the buck considering you can't get much faster with Vegas. You could go with a multiprocessor (a tad faster) or with another NLE or a render farm.

July 9th, 2004, 10:21 AM	#102
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	That is no reason not to use it. They both conform to the MPEG-4 standard, and can decode each other's streams.

July 9th, 2004, 02:45 PM	#104
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	SERIOUS video capture problems with Vegas 5! I have just loaded up Vegas 5 to try and capture some video. But I got a message saying that video capture wasn't shut down properly the last time I used is, and a question asking me if I wished to load the project. I have tried answering both yes and no, and each time video capture tries to load and then crashes out. I have just uninstalled Vegas 5, and then reinstalled it. I still cannot get video capture to load up! It still gives me the same message! Anyone any ideas? I'm desperate!

July 9th, 2004, 08:32 PM	#105
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	Try starting just the VidCap program. Using Windows Explorer, go to the Vegas 5 folder and double click on vidcap50.exe. Make sure all background programs are stopped...including virus checkers. CTRL-ALT-DEL to get to task manager, then click the applications tab and make sure nothing is running in the background. If something other than vidcap is running, stop it.