Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q3Q4)

Nathan Gifford · September 17th, 2004, 02:49 PM

I use the XL-1 4-track audio all the time, though you could do the same in 2-track.

When I use 4-track I keep the onboard mic on the main channels and hook up the wireless to on of the sub channels.

When you take it to the NLE it is a good idea to keep the 12 bit track separated from the 16 bit. When you render, you save the final audio to the 16 bit production track.

This gives you a very nice natural stereo audio and allows you to mix your mono voice track anyway you want.

One caution: You cannot listen easily to all 4-tracks when shooting. You can list to the mains or sub tracks, but when you listen to both together you actually listening to cam's mix of all 4-tracks.

Once you have done this a few times you will rarely have problems.

Trey Perrone · September 17th, 2004, 05:09 PM

hmmm...

im thinking that an NLE isnt going to export it back out the way this lady wants it...and its been soooooo long since ive dealt with linear that i cant remember how the audio is handled.....i will need to do some more research....i thought it was similar to the way the GL1/XL1s does the second track at a slightly lower bitrate...so its still L/R audio channels, but a separate channel. I thought maybe someone in here had some more recent linear experience that might be able to point me more in the area i need.

I really dont think my teacher my knows how the audio channels work with miniDV...but she did say i could turn it in on miniDV...so im thinking maybe it wont matter.

Edward Troxel · September 17th, 2004, 06:14 PM

I think I'd start by giving it to her with the voice on the left and nat on the right (or the other way around). If she asks, you can explain that they ARE separate.

Here's another possibility but would require going analog: Send the standard video and single stereo channel via firewire to a convertor. Run the convertor to the camera with the audio connected to stereo 1. Send the OTHER stereo channel to the sound card and run that output direct to stereo 2. This would allow you to get a 4-channel tape direct from Vegas.

Bryan Roberts · September 18th, 2004, 09:08 AM

Hey all. Well I'm finishing up the editing on my first short film that actually had a producer, budget and crew but I've run into some interesting situations. The film is around 18 minutes long and all the while I've been color correcting for web delivery (don't ask why) but now I have a need to prepare the project for DVD delivery to be viewed on TV's. Is there a fast way to remove all the event fx on each track without going to each shot and removing them manually? (every shot has atleast color curves applied) I tried the split screen function on the preview window to just make the prev window bypass all fx and then render out but the render didn't reflect this not to mention I still will need some mild color correction after started back over clean. Any suggestions? What do you guys do?

By the way I'm in Vegas 4e. If it aint broke, don't fix it. I'm staying with 5 for 24p stuff and using my friends dvda2.

Edward Troxel · September 18th, 2004, 01:46 PM

Tsunami has a tool that will remove all effects from all selected events. Just click the link under my name for more details.

Bryan Roberts · September 18th, 2004, 03:13 PM

Nice, that'll save my afternoon. Thanks Edward.

Andreas Fernbrant · September 19th, 2004, 05:16 PM

I have a strange problem and a deadline..
I need a good fast solution... FAST!

I use Vegas 5, Camera XL1s, PC system.
PAL!

When I captured a simple pal file from my XL1
it looks okay, but when I put it in a project and try to
render it out it looks really bad. I have some serious
interlace problems.. Anyone have had the same experiance
and know a good solution..

SCREENSHOT:

http://www.atamashi.com/012.jpg

Andreas Fernbrant · September 19th, 2004, 05:26 PM

I've noticed this only happens Vegas 5.0
Not in my old 4.0

Anyone have this problem?

Michael Wisniewski · September 19th, 2004, 05:57 PM

It would probably would be more useful if you put up a screenshot of your project and render settings with some info on the original format of the video.

From the JPEG image, I don't see the severe combing/shearing I associate with interlace problems. It looks more like a lot of blur. Off the top of my head, it looks like the video is being converted to progressive somewhere and that might be the problem.

Does the rendered footage look like that when you play it back on an interlaced device?

Andreas Fernbrant · September 19th, 2004, 06:10 PM

Yes, it looks like that on a monitor,
I deinterlaced it because it should be easier to see what I meant.

I've fiddled around with the render settings a trillion ways and that doesn't help...

I guess it's back to Vegas 4 to finish this project..

Edward Troxel · September 19th, 2004, 08:10 PM

Try comparing settings between Vegas 4 and Vegas 5. Sounds like something, somewhere, is set differently. Check all of the File - Properties, Options - Preferences, and Render As settings to confirm all are the same.

Mitch Buss · September 19th, 2004, 08:40 PM

I am having a problem and hope you guys can help me out. I am trying to render a project in NTSC widescreen and when I do it letterboxes the sides, not the top and bottom. Why is this? Thanks.

Mitch

Michael Wisniewski · September 19th, 2004, 09:20 PM

Was the original video shot in 4:3 or widescreen/16:9? If it is in 4:3 you'll need to crop off the top and the bottom to get the widescreen look.

Rob Lohman · September 20th, 2004, 02:20 AM

Simon: although Vegas allows scripting you do not have access
to a lot of things to make some really powerfull scripts like you
are suggesting. Let's hope they add more stuff to the scripting
interface shortly (wouldn't get my hopes up though).

Peter Jefferson · September 20th, 2004, 04:24 AM

2 things..

4:3 footage is just that..it wont change regardless of your project..

so you MUST set the file/cli[ within the timeline to 16:9 AND the Project properties to DV Widescreen to get the full effect

Alternatively u can set vidcap to capture in 16:9 which will do an automatic conversion for u.. which i woudl suggest not to..

September 17th, 2004, 02:49 PM	#886
Nathan Gifford Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tickfaw, LA Posts: 1,217	I use the XL-1 4-track audio all the time, though you could do the same in 2-track. When I use 4-track I keep the onboard mic on the main channels and hook up the wireless to on of the sub channels. When you take it to the NLE it is a good idea to keep the 12 bit track separated from the 16 bit. When you render, you save the final audio to the 16 bit production track. This gives you a very nice natural stereo audio and allows you to mix your mono voice track anyway you want. One caution: You cannot listen easily to all 4-tracks when shooting. You can list to the mains or sub tracks, but when you listen to both together you actually listening to cam's mix of all 4-tracks. Once you have done this a few times you will rarely have problems. __________________ Nathan Gifford Southern Cyclist Magazine & Productions For quick answers try our Search! To see me and Rob Lohman click here

September 17th, 2004, 05:09 PM	#887
Trey Perrone Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 155	hmmm... im thinking that an NLE isnt going to export it back out the way this lady wants it...and its been soooooo long since ive dealt with linear that i cant remember how the audio is handled.....i will need to do some more research....i thought it was similar to the way the GL1/XL1s does the second track at a slightly lower bitrate...so its still L/R audio channels, but a separate channel. I thought maybe someone in here had some more recent linear experience that might be able to point me more in the area i need. I really dont think my teacher my knows how the audio channels work with miniDV...but she did say i could turn it in on miniDV...so im thinking maybe it wont matter. __________________ Trey Perrone

September 17th, 2004, 06:14 PM	#888
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I think I'd start by giving it to her with the voice on the left and nat on the right (or the other way around). If she asks, you can explain that they ARE separate. Here's another possibility but would require going analog: Send the standard video and single stereo channel via firewire to a convertor. Run the convertor to the camera with the audio connected to stereo 1. Send the OTHER stereo channel to the sound card and run that output direct to stereo 2. This would allow you to get a 4-channel tape direct from Vegas. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 18th, 2004, 09:08 AM	#889
Bryan Roberts Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 436	Any faster way of changing between two color corrected needs? Hey all. Well I'm finishing up the editing on my first short film that actually had a producer, budget and crew but I've run into some interesting situations. The film is around 18 minutes long and all the while I've been color correcting for web delivery (don't ask why) but now I have a need to prepare the project for DVD delivery to be viewed on TV's. Is there a fast way to remove all the event fx on each track without going to each shot and removing them manually? (every shot has atleast color curves applied) I tried the split screen function on the preview window to just make the prev window bypass all fx and then render out but the render didn't reflect this not to mention I still will need some mild color correction after started back over clean. Any suggestions? What do you guys do? By the way I'm in Vegas 4e. If it aint broke, don't fix it. I'm staying with 5 for 24p stuff and using my friends dvda2.

September 18th, 2004, 01:46 PM	#890
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Tsunami has a tool that will remove all effects from all selected events. Just click the link under my name for more details. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 18th, 2004, 03:13 PM	#891
Bryan Roberts Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 436	Nice, that'll save my afternoon. Thanks Edward.

September 19th, 2004, 05:16 PM	#892
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	Strange problem, need a good solution fast. I have a strange problem and a deadline.. I need a good fast solution... FAST! I use Vegas 5, Camera XL1s, PC system. PAL! When I captured a simple pal file from my XL1 it looks okay, but when I put it in a project and try to render it out it looks really bad. I have some serious interlace problems.. Anyone have had the same experiance and know a good solution.. SCREENSHOT: http://www.atamashi.com/012.jpg

September 19th, 2004, 05:26 PM	#893
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	I've noticed this only happens Vegas 5.0 Not in my old 4.0 Anyone have this problem?

September 19th, 2004, 05:57 PM	#894
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	It would probably would be more useful if you put up a screenshot of your project and render settings with some info on the original format of the video. From the JPEG image, I don't see the severe combing/shearing I associate with interlace problems. It looks more like a lot of blur. Off the top of my head, it looks like the video is being converted to progressive somewhere and that might be the problem. Does the rendered footage look like that when you play it back on an interlaced device?

September 19th, 2004, 06:10 PM	#895
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	Yes, it looks like that on a monitor, I deinterlaced it because it should be easier to see what I meant. I've fiddled around with the render settings a trillion ways and that doesn't help... I guess it's back to Vegas 4 to finish this project..

September 19th, 2004, 08:10 PM	#896
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Try comparing settings between Vegas 4 and Vegas 5. Sounds like something, somewhere, is set differently. Check all of the File - Properties, Options - Preferences, and Render As settings to confirm all are the same. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 19th, 2004, 08:40 PM	#897
Mitch Buss Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 184	Widescreen Rendering I am having a problem and hope you guys can help me out. I am trying to render a project in NTSC widescreen and when I do it letterboxes the sides, not the top and bottom. Why is this? Thanks. Mitch

September 19th, 2004, 09:20 PM	#898
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Was the original video shot in 4:3 or widescreen/16:9? If it is in 4:3 you'll need to crop off the top and the bottom to get the widescreen look.

September 20th, 2004, 02:20 AM	#899
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Simon: although Vegas allows scripting you do not have access to a lot of things to make some really powerfull scripts like you are suggesting. Let's hope they add more stuff to the scripting interface shortly (wouldn't get my hopes up though). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 20th, 2004, 04:24 AM	#900
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	2 things.. 4:3 footage is just that..it wont change regardless of your project.. so you MUST set the file/cli[ within the timeline to 16:9 AND the Project properties to DV Widescreen to get the full effect Alternatively u can set vidcap to capture in 16:9 which will do an automatic conversion for u.. which i woudl suggest not to..