OT: VASST on YouTube!! at DVinfo.net

Randy Stewart · January 13th, 2007, 01:22 AM

Wow! What a great idea! Check out these links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX0PaxBfp6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVKEDXLvVeQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezNhytmcCak

There are two sessions for how to use stock footage, and one on a video ediitor master class. Very cool.

Randy

David Jasany · January 13th, 2007, 08:05 AM

Randy,

Thanks for the tip! DSE's discussion of using Artbeats was very interesting and helpful.

Dave

Jason Robinson · January 13th, 2007, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Stewart

Wow! What a great idea! Check out these links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX0PaxBfp6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVKEDXLvVeQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezNhytmcCak

There are two sessions for how to use stock footage, and one on a video ediitor master class. Very cool.

Randy

Great links thanks a lot. These are only fueling my desire to buy some of the Vegas VASST productions. doh

jason

David Jasany · January 13th, 2007, 01:42 PM

While in YouTube, if you click on VASST you'll find a few more tutorials. Hmmm, I guess I now have a reason to go to YouTube occasionally.

The other two are:
How HDV works
Shot Transitions on the Sony Z1/FX1 Camcorders

Thanks VASST!

Randy Stewart · January 13th, 2007, 01:43 PM

Your welcome. I sure think this is a great idea, not just for advertising products but for giving out hints and tips, kinda supporting everyone with an interest in video. The YouTube phenonomenum reaches so many. What a great medium to share information and tell others about cool products.
Randy

Steven Gotz · January 13th, 2007, 09:18 PM

OK. How the heck did they encode that stuff to get such a high quality. I have been testing various sizes and data rates and nothing comes out that good!

Douglas Spotted Eagle · January 13th, 2007, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Gotz

OK. How the heck did they encode that stuff to get such a high quality. I have been testing various sizes and data rates and nothing comes out that good!

Vegas, baby!
custom template after a bit of experimenting and a lotta years of encoding.
Personally, I'm not pleased with it, but in a few days...you'll see it much better if some of what we're working on pans out.

Brian Luce · January 14th, 2007, 02:48 AM

Why is it some videos get thousands of hits on utube? Is there a way to promote a video there?

Steven Gotz · January 14th, 2007, 10:53 AM

Give us a break Spot! I would buy a copy of Vegas if that were the only way, but even then I would need more information.

I can send perfect files and they mess them up. Please, please tell us the frame size and file format you send them. Or, do they let you encode your own under some sort of producer's agreement?

Brian Luce · January 14th, 2007, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Gotz

Give us a break Spot! I would buy a copy of Vegas if that were the only way, but even then I would need more information.

I can send perfect files and they mess them up. Please, please tell us the frame size and file format you send them. Or, do they let you encode your own under some sort of producer's agreement?

I use procoder. here's what the results look like, look at it for about a minute til the second interview starts.

http://tinyurl.com/y85lju

Steven Gotz · January 14th, 2007, 03:10 PM

Brian,

Some of that looks good, other parts not so good (in the beginning).

What frame size did you submit at what data rate and which codec?

My problem is that no matter what I submit, no matter how great it looks on my PC, it gets corrupted into miserable video by YouTube. SO I don't bother to use YouTube, but I would like to, if I can overcome their re-encoding problems.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · January 14th, 2007, 03:17 PM

Steven, what format are you submitting? Encoded by what tool? I know in the past you've been a monster advocate for Premiere; if that's the case you'll never get the encode you want. Adobe just (currently) isn't into encoding well, not even for DVD.
Start with 320 x 240.
Saturate colors by a little, add a tad of sharpness. It'll look horrible on your monitor. If you know that Youtube is going to reduce quality by say...25% in a specific direction, you can offset that by increasing those specific quality parameters by 25% before uploading.
I'm using MPEG 4 as my upload codec, but as mentioned, I've got a few tweaks. Vegas also has some under-the-hood features that help. You can really mess Vegas up if you don't know the under-the-hood features. Once I've got it to where I'm totally satisfied, then I'll post results.
I'm not trying to be cagey, really. It's that I feel I'm still stumbling in the dark, so no point in leading others if I'm going down the wrong road.

Brian Luce · January 14th, 2007, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Gotz

Brian,

Some of that looks good, other parts not so good (in the beginning).

What frame size did you submit at what data rate and which codec?

My problem is that no matter what I submit, no matter how great it looks on my PC, it gets corrupted into miserable video by YouTube. SO I don't bother to use YouTube, but I would like to, if I can overcome their re-encoding problems.

Yeah for the beginning i wanted the pixelated look (I made the doc for a med school) which looks cool in full rez and then with the drug dealer I was trying to overcome environmental limitations and camera issues.
Here's a commercial i did with a beta cam.

http://tinyurl.com/yc6anx

I used procoder express actually. I rendered as an avi file in vegas 6, imported to procoder, it just said "video for web" and used the 256kbps for web server. I'm not sure what resolution I think either 384x288 or 320x240. Pro coder express doesn't really tell you precisely.

the 7 min doc was 11 megs when i uploaded it and the caveman scene was 1.5 megs before upload.

I'm not tech savvy as you can tell but I know procoder always gets rave reviews from users.

Steven Gotz · January 14th, 2007, 03:42 PM

Spot,

I actually did what they suggested. I bought a copy of DivX Pro and submitted 320X240. Premiere Pro won't export MPEG4, but I have tried with Quicktime Pro as well as other applications. It all looks great on my PC, just not after they mess it up.

I was not happy with any of my submissions. I wrote to them and they responded with:

"We recommend the MPEG4 (Divx, Xvid) format at 425x350 resolution with MP3 audio. Resizing your video to these specifications before uploading will help your clips look better on YouTube. "

That didn't help either. It is different than what they recommend on the web site, so I thought maybe it was a great tip. I don't mean that it looks any worse than the average video, just that it looks as bad. Not as good as yours, in other words.

I really appreciate the tip on the saturation and sharpness. I will work on that and see if I can get better results.

If you do come up with a format and procedure that you are reasonably proud of, please let everyone know. I imagine that much of what you come up with will apply to many encoders, not just inside Vegas.

Life would be easier if they let us encode our own to Flash limited by whatever rules they reuire.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · January 14th, 2007, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Gotz

Spot,
If you do come up with a format and procedure that you are reasonably proud of, please let everyone know. I imagine that much of what you come up with will apply to many encoders, not just inside Vegas.

Life would be easier if they let us encode our own to Flash limited by whatever rules they reuire.

Bear in mind that Vegas has proprietary tools for encoding to MP4 for PSP...that's the beginning point for my workflow. If you've ever seen how HD looks on a PSP....wow.
I don't know why they recommend DivX, outside of Videomaker recommending DivX for this stuff. DivX to Flash just doesn't work well with their encoders, as you've found.

January 13th, 2007, 01:22 AM	#1
Randy Stewart Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hooper, UT Posts: 177	OT: VASST on YouTube!! Wow! What a great idea! Check out these links: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX0PaxBfp6c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVKEDXLvVeQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezNhytmcCak There are two sessions for how to use stock footage, and one on a video ediitor master class. Very cool. Randy

January 13th, 2007, 09:18 PM	#6
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	OK. How the heck did they encode that stuff to get such a high quality. I have been testing various sizes and data rates and nothing comes out that good! __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

January 14th, 2007, 10:53 AM	#9
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Give us a break Spot! I would buy a copy of Vegas if that were the only way, but even then I would need more information. I can send perfect files and they mess them up. Please, please tell us the frame size and file format you send them. Or, do they let you encode your own under some sort of producer's agreement? __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

January 14th, 2007, 03:10 PM	#11
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Brian, Some of that looks good, other parts not so good (in the beginning). What frame size did you submit at what data rate and which codec? My problem is that no matter what I submit, no matter how great it looks on my PC, it gets corrupted into miserable video by YouTube. SO I don't bother to use YouTube, but I would like to, if I can overcome their re-encoding problems. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

January 14th, 2007, 03:17 PM	#12
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Steven, what format are you submitting? Encoded by what tool? I know in the past you've been a monster advocate for Premiere; if that's the case you'll never get the encode you want. Adobe just (currently) isn't into encoding well, not even for DVD. Start with 320 x 240. Saturate colors by a little, add a tad of sharpness. It'll look horrible on your monitor. If you know that Youtube is going to reduce quality by say...25% in a specific direction, you can offset that by increasing those specific quality parameters by 25% before uploading. I'm using MPEG 4 as my upload codec, but as mentioned, I've got a few tweaks. Vegas also has some under-the-hood features that help. You can really mess Vegas up if you don't know the under-the-hood features. Once I've got it to where I'm totally satisfied, then I'll post results. I'm not trying to be cagey, really. It's that I feel I'm still stumbling in the dark, so no point in leading others if I'm going down the wrong road. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

January 13th, 2007, 08:05 AM	#2
David Jasany Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 313	Randy, Thanks for the tip! DSE's discussion of using Artbeats was very interesting and helpful. Dave

January 13th, 2007, 01:42 PM	#4
David Jasany Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 313	While in YouTube, if you click on VASST you'll find a few more tutorials. Hmmm, I guess I now have a reason to go to YouTube occasionally. The other two are: How HDV works Shot Transitions on the Sony Z1/FX1 Camcorders Thanks VASST!

January 13th, 2007, 01:43 PM	#5
Randy Stewart Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hooper, UT Posts: 177	Your welcome. I sure think this is a great idea, not just for advertising products but for giving out hints and tips, kinda supporting everyone with an interest in video. The YouTube phenonomenum reaches so many. What a great medium to share information and tell others about cool products. Randy

January 14th, 2007, 02:48 AM	#8
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	Why is it some videos get thousands of hits on utube? Is there a way to promote a video there?

January 14th, 2007, 03:42 PM	#14
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Spot, I actually did what they suggested. I bought a copy of DivX Pro and submitted 320X240. Premiere Pro won't export MPEG4, but I have tried with Quicktime Pro as well as other applications. It all looks great on my PC, just not after they mess it up. I was not happy with any of my submissions. I wrote to them and they responded with: "We recommend the MPEG4 (Divx, Xvid) format at 425x350 resolution with MP3 audio. Resizing your video to these specifications before uploading will help your clips look better on YouTube. " That didn't help either. It is different than what they recommend on the web site, so I thought maybe it was a great tip. I don't mean that it looks any worse than the average video, just that it looks as bad. Not as good as yours, in other words. I really appreciate the tip on the saturation and sharpness. I will work on that and see if I can get better results. If you do come up with a format and procedure that you are reasonably proud of, please let everyone know. I imagine that much of what you come up with will apply to many encoders, not just inside Vegas. Life would be easier if they let us encode our own to Flash limited by whatever rules they reuire. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com