Mask Tracing at DVinfo.net

Will Hanlon · January 2nd, 2007, 10:13 AM

I want to use a mask to trace a moving object so I can darken just that object, and I know I can keyframe the mask as it moves, but obviously going frame by frame takes forever (and still you have problems of the image appearing manipulated if you're not insanely careful and exacting when creating or changing the mask to fit the object).

I know in Photoshop there are tools to help you trace the outline of an object using different methods... ie the magic wand. Anything like that for Vegas and tracing masks?

I have footage of just the background in addition to footage of the background and the object. Can I somehow use the difference to make an accurate mask tracing the object?

Mike Kujbida · January 2nd, 2007, 12:20 PM

Try using the Bezier mask tool (found in the Pan/Crop window) to trace the object.
The discussion on the Sony Vegas forum at http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/for...ssageID=501099 should help you out with some of it's intricancies.

Will Hanlon · January 3rd, 2007, 07:44 AM

I looked at that link, and I really don't think the Bezier mask tool will help much. I can trace the shape of the object just fine using the pen and anchors, but the problem comes in when the object moves, and I try to change the mask to match the movement. It's too difficult to manually do this... I'd need set points of reference on the object to ensure nothing looks doctored when it's all done.

That link did mention some other interesting apps like Combustion and Fusion... anyone use those? It mentioned another one that had a masking tool like what I want, but said it cost $300k, which is too rich for my blood.

I found another program called EffectsLab, which can create image-based masks from alpha, luminance and RGB values... I think that's what I need since that sounds similar to the magic wand in Photoshop.

Anybody know of anything else or an easy way to accomplish this?

Mike Kujbida · January 3rd, 2007, 10:15 AM

Is $300 too much?
If not, then take a look at BorisFX at http://www.borisfx.com/products/FX/
Among it's many features is motion tracking, stabilization and corner pinning.
Go to the animated demo page at http://www.borisfx.com/products/FX/flash.php and you'll see an example of this feature.

Will Hanlon · January 3rd, 2007, 02:10 PM

That's awesome. $300 isn't too much for me as long as it gets the job done, and that looks like an amazing plugin. The motion tracker looks like it should be able to do what I want... I guess if I found the motion path, maybe I could apply that to a mask? Hmm. Its masking system looks more advanced anyway. Thanks for the info.

Mike Kujbida · January 3rd, 2007, 02:40 PM

It looks so good that I'm going to talk to my boss here at work and see if I can buy it :-)
There's a trial version that you can download and play with to see if it'll do the job for you.
There's also a training tutorials page at http://www.borisfx.com/tutorials/#fx

January 2nd, 2007, 10:13 AM	#1
Will Hanlon Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 148	Mask Tracing I want to use a mask to trace a moving object so I can darken just that object, and I know I can keyframe the mask as it moves, but obviously going frame by frame takes forever (and still you have problems of the image appearing manipulated if you're not insanely careful and exacting when creating or changing the mask to fit the object). I know in Photoshop there are tools to help you trace the outline of an object using different methods... ie the magic wand. Anything like that for Vegas and tracing masks? I have footage of just the background in addition to footage of the background and the object. Can I somehow use the difference to make an accurate mask tracing the object? Last edited by Will Hanlon; January 2nd, 2007 at 11:47 AM.

January 2nd, 2007, 12:20 PM	#2
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Try using the Bezier mask tool (found in the Pan/Crop window) to trace the object. The discussion on the Sony Vegas forum at http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/for...ssageID=501099 should help you out with some of it's intricancies.

January 3rd, 2007, 07:44 AM	#3
Will Hanlon Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 148	I looked at that link, and I really don't think the Bezier mask tool will help much. I can trace the shape of the object just fine using the pen and anchors, but the problem comes in when the object moves, and I try to change the mask to match the movement. It's too difficult to manually do this... I'd need set points of reference on the object to ensure nothing looks doctored when it's all done. That link did mention some other interesting apps like Combustion and Fusion... anyone use those? It mentioned another one that had a masking tool like what I want, but said it cost $300k, which is too rich for my blood. I found another program called EffectsLab, which can create image-based masks from alpha, luminance and RGB values... I think that's what I need since that sounds similar to the magic wand in Photoshop. Anybody know of anything else or an easy way to accomplish this?

January 3rd, 2007, 10:15 AM	#4
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Is $300 too much? If not, then take a look at BorisFX at http://www.borisfx.com/products/FX/ Among it's many features is motion tracking, stabilization and corner pinning. Go to the animated demo page at http://www.borisfx.com/products/FX/flash.php and you'll see an example of this feature.

January 3rd, 2007, 02:10 PM	#5
Will Hanlon Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 148	That's awesome. $300 isn't too much for me as long as it gets the job done, and that looks like an amazing plugin. The motion tracker looks like it should be able to do what I want... I guess if I found the motion path, maybe I could apply that to a mask? Hmm. Its masking system looks more advanced anyway. Thanks for the info.

January 3rd, 2007, 02:40 PM	#6
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	It looks so good that I'm going to talk to my boss here at work and see if I can buy it :-) There's a trial version that you can download and play with to see if it'll do the job for you. There's also a training tutorials page at http://www.borisfx.com/tutorials/#fx