What's the Verdict on Vegas 7 ? at DVinfo.net

Paul Kepen · October 8th, 2006, 01:54 PM

I have Vegas 6.0d. Is it worth the upgrade?
From the feature list it doesn't appear that there are any big differences, except XD camera support-which I don't need. Does it truly do native HDV, or is it just using an internal version of Cineform? I also have Pinnacle Studio version 10.5. It does native HDV, and, while the program is just a cheap ($75) basic program, a test clip that I tried seemed to handle motion beautifulloy, something I've been unable to get Cineform to do.

I am a bit surpirsed that Sony doesn't include support to burn a BlueRay disc from HDV in Vegas 7 and DVD Architect 4.

Glenn Chan · October 8th, 2006, 04:16 PM

Yes it does do native HDV. Try the demo.

John Rofrano · October 8th, 2006, 06:17 PM

Also there are so many improvements in the editor like the new snapping feature and the ability to control the keyframe smoothness in the preferences, just to name two. IMHO it is well worth the upgrade for the productivity improvements alone. (but I do love the new native HDV editing)

~jr

Seth Bloombaum · October 8th, 2006, 08:04 PM

duplicate post - see below

Seth Bloombaum · October 8th, 2006, 08:10 PM

If you are on a laptop or a sub-3.6GHz processor that isn't dual core or duo you'll notice a HUGE difference in how well V7 previews native M2T on the timeline over V6.

For example, V6 on a 3.06 Pentium 4 is not quite adequate to even do logging & selects on native M2T. V7 - easy to do shot selections and simple editing at near full-framerate (preview-auto).

I suppose more complex editing with M2T would also become a lower load on the processor, increasing framerate with multiple layers, keys, filters, etc.

Many others, especially Mr. Spotted Eagle have recommended that digital intermediates such as cineform are still a neccessity when it comes to multiple generations before output, color correction, & etc. which makes sense to me. I've not finished an HDV project since V7 came out. But I'm VERY impressed with how M2T now performs on the timeline.

Timecode - if you use camera timecode for logging reference, or synching multicamera or double-system audio with HDV you gotta' have V7. So far, I've seen it work on Sony 1080i footage and JVC HD100 at 30p. Doesn't seem to work for HD100-24p.

Paul Kepen · October 9th, 2006, 12:33 PM

Thanks for the input everybody. I broke down and ordered last night. I figured I better before I forget and the 10/31/06 deadline for the $150 upgrade had past. Still wish there was some software for making a HD BlueRay disc. I love my HC-1 HDV camcorder. Clips played directly from it are far superior to the downrezzed DVD's we can make now.

Brian Mitchell Warshawsky · October 10th, 2006, 02:55 PM

What's the verdict on DVDA 4?

I know there are some nice new features, but has there been any change/improvement in the image quality of the final render?

Brian

David Mintzer · October 11th, 2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Mitchell Warshawsky

What's the verdict on DVDA 4?

I know there are some nice new features, but has there been any change/improvement in the image quality of the final render?

Brian

The mpeg encoder is the same---what problem do you have with image quality? Mine look great.

Brian Mitchell Warshawsky · October 11th, 2006, 12:53 PM

>>>>>what problem do you have with image quality? Mine look great.

I had no problem with DVDA 3 either, but since Sony saw fit to make improvements anyway, it is helpful to know if the improvements extended beyond usability features.

There may never be a point where we declare that image quality can no longer be improved upon.

Brian

October 8th, 2006, 01:54 PM	#1
Paul Kepen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis Minnesota Posts: 347	What's the Verdict on Vegas 7 ? I have Vegas 6.0d. Is it worth the upgrade? From the feature list it doesn't appear that there are any big differences, except XD camera support-which I don't need. Does it truly do native HDV, or is it just using an internal version of Cineform? I also have Pinnacle Studio version 10.5. It does native HDV, and, while the program is just a cheap ($75) basic program, a test clip that I tried seemed to handle motion beautifulloy, something I've been unable to get Cineform to do. I am a bit surpirsed that Sony doesn't include support to burn a BlueRay disc from HDV in Vegas 7 and DVD Architect 4.

October 8th, 2006, 06:17 PM	#3
John Rofrano Sponsor: VASST Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York Posts: 516	Also there are so many improvements in the editor like the new snapping feature and the ability to control the keyframe smoothness in the preferences, just to name two. IMHO it is well worth the upgrade for the productivity improvements alone. (but I do love the new native HDV editing) ~jr __________________ Developer: VASST Ultimate S, Scattershot 3D, Mayhem, FASST Apps, and other VASST Software plug-ins Web Site: www.johnrofrano.com

October 9th, 2006, 12:33 PM	#6
Paul Kepen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis Minnesota Posts: 347	Thanks Everyone Thanks for the input everybody. I broke down and ordered last night. I figured I better before I forget and the 10/31/06 deadline for the $150 upgrade had past. Still wish there was some software for making a HD BlueRay disc. I love my HC-1 HDV camcorder. Clips played directly from it are far superior to the downrezzed DVD's we can make now.

October 10th, 2006, 02:55 PM	#7
Brian Mitchell Warshawsky Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 216	Dvda 4 What's the verdict on DVDA 4? I know there are some nice new features, but has there been any change/improvement in the image quality of the final render? Brian

October 8th, 2006, 04:16 PM	#2
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Yes it does do native HDV. Try the demo.

October 8th, 2006, 08:04 PM	#4
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	duplicate post - see below

October 8th, 2006, 08:10 PM	#5
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	If you are on a laptop or a sub-3.6GHz processor that isn't dual core or duo you'll notice a HUGE difference in how well V7 previews native M2T on the timeline over V6. For example, V6 on a 3.06 Pentium 4 is not quite adequate to even do logging & selects on native M2T. V7 - easy to do shot selections and simple editing at near full-framerate (preview-auto). I suppose more complex editing with M2T would also become a lower load on the processor, increasing framerate with multiple layers, keys, filters, etc. Many others, especially Mr. Spotted Eagle have recommended that digital intermediates such as cineform are still a neccessity when it comes to multiple generations before output, color correction, & etc. which makes sense to me. I've not finished an HDV project since V7 came out. But I'm VERY impressed with how M2T now performs on the timeline. Timecode - if you use camera timecode for logging reference, or synching multicamera or double-system audio with HDV you gotta' have V7. So far, I've seen it work on Sony 1080i footage and JVC HD100 at 30p. Doesn't seem to work for HD100-24p.

October 11th, 2006, 12:53 PM	#9
Brian Mitchell Warshawsky Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 216	>>>>>what problem do you have with image quality? Mine look great. I had no problem with DVDA 3 either, but since Sony saw fit to make improvements anyway, it is helpful to know if the improvements extended beyond usability features. There may never be a point where we declare that image quality can no longer be improved upon. Brian