My editor says Vegas not for broadcast

John M Burkhart · September 17th, 2006, 08:47 PM

Well from a producer's prospective I can see the editor's point.

1. Avid is the standard, and if you ever have to re-cut the show for length, or move it to another market, or adjust the master in any way, having an Avid project file is the best way to move it from facility to facility (everyone has Avid). Wheras finding Vegas in a facility might be more difficult.

2. I take it you're paying this guy to edit your show. Do you really want to put him on something that he's never used before when you're paying him by the hour? Get him something he's comfortable with, to save you all time and money. If not, he should at least be grateful that you're going to pay him to learn a new system. :)

3. I haven't used Vegas myself, but I'm sure that quality wise it's just fine for broadcast. If you're doing everything in-house I say go for it, but if someone outside your facility is going to be collaborating with you, well no one's ever been fired for going Avid.

Chris Hocking · September 18th, 2006, 01:52 AM

Crimson Editor is my preference for editing text documents... Notepad ain't got nothing on it!

Carl Downs · September 18th, 2006, 11:37 PM

Vegas... I like it too... but, my productions are also TV, Film targetted. Why... Why doesnt Vegas include an "Avid EDL" export function? I know why... they are so stubborn they want to try to change the industry so people have to use Vegas. But, in retrospect... I think even more people may use vegas if in the end they could easily exort an EDL for Avid if need be. If I start my project on Vegas (lots of time) it will have to stay "Vegas" forever... so... in order to be more compatible with "The Industry" I usually cut my important projects on Avid... although... I am seriously considering Vegas for this project I am working on now... AAaa confused producer...

Chris Hocking · September 18th, 2006, 11:51 PM

I've never used Vegas, but I'd imagine something like this would solve your EDL problems? Even though its designed for audio, I think it can also convert all the Vegas data into something useful that other NLEs can read. However, don't quote me on it...

Emre Safak · September 19th, 2006, 07:00 AM

Vegas does have an AVID EDL export function. You should also try using the Save As... function and change the file type...

Chris Hocking · September 19th, 2006, 07:35 AM

Unfortunately though, the script that post links to has some pretty major limitations:

1. It only supports a single audio and video track
2. It only supports cuts and cross fades (dissolves)
3. Assumes all audio is stereo

Meryem Ersoz · September 19th, 2006, 08:03 AM

i think the frame for this whole discussion--about whether vegas is suitable for broadcast or not--is simply off. maybe the lesson is that you should have requested to meet with the editor and have this discussion about workflow well in advance. the biggest lesson i ever learned in terms of workflow was to attend to delivery before i shoot anything!

if i cover every detail about delivery with a client in advance, then the project usually flows okay. if i don't touch all bases regarding delivery, then it is usually full of headaches and the challenging prospect of readjusting expectations and altering the workflow, as you are experiencing now. who cares if the guy is right or wrong in his assumptions? the more useful question is, what's the take-away for you in terms of improving the flow of future projects?

September 17th, 2006, 08:47 PM	#31
John M Burkhart Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 97	Well from a producer's prospective I can see the editor's point. 1. Avid is the standard, and if you ever have to re-cut the show for length, or move it to another market, or adjust the master in any way, having an Avid project file is the best way to move it from facility to facility (everyone has Avid). Wheras finding Vegas in a facility might be more difficult. 2. I take it you're paying this guy to edit your show. Do you really want to put him on something that he's never used before when you're paying him by the hour? Get him something he's comfortable with, to save you all time and money. If not, he should at least be grateful that you're going to pay him to learn a new system. :) 3. I haven't used Vegas myself, but I'm sure that quality wise it's just fine for broadcast. If you're doing everything in-house I say go for it, but if someone outside your facility is going to be collaborating with you, well no one's ever been fired for going Avid. __________________ John Burkhart http://mynahmedia.com

September 18th, 2006, 11:37 PM	#33
Carl Downs Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 101	Why no "Avid" EDL Export Vegas... I like it too... but, my productions are also TV, Film targetted. Why... Why doesnt Vegas include an "Avid EDL" export function? I know why... they are so stubborn they want to try to change the industry so people have to use Vegas. But, in retrospect... I think even more people may use vegas if in the end they could easily exort an EDL for Avid if need be. If I start my project on Vegas (lots of time) it will have to stay "Vegas" forever... so... in order to be more compatible with "The Industry" I usually cut my important projects on Avid... although... I am seriously considering Vegas for this project I am working on now... AAaa confused producer...

September 18th, 2006, 01:52 AM	#32
Chris Hocking Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 595	Crimson Editor is my preference for editing text documents... Notepad ain't got nothing on it!

September 18th, 2006, 11:51 PM	#34
Chris Hocking Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 595	I've never used Vegas, but I'd imagine something like this would solve your EDL problems? Even though its designed for audio, I think it can also convert all the Vegas data into something useful that other NLEs can read. However, don't quote me on it...

September 19th, 2006, 07:00 AM	#35
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	Vegas does have an AVID EDL export function. You should also try using the Save As... function and change the file type...

September 19th, 2006, 07:35 AM	#36
Chris Hocking Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 595	Unfortunately though, the script that post links to has some pretty major limitations: 1. It only supports a single audio and video track 2. It only supports cuts and cross fades (dissolves) 3. Assumes all audio is stereo

September 19th, 2006, 08:03 AM	#37
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	i think the frame for this whole discussion--about whether vegas is suitable for broadcast or not--is simply off. maybe the lesson is that you should have requested to meet with the editor and have this discussion about workflow well in advance. the biggest lesson i ever learned in terms of workflow was to attend to delivery before i shoot anything! if i cover every detail about delivery with a client in advance, then the project usually flows okay. if i don't touch all bases regarding delivery, then it is usually full of headaches and the challenging prospect of readjusting expectations and altering the workflow, as you are experiencing now. who cares if the guy is right or wrong in his assumptions? the more useful question is, what's the take-away for you in terms of improving the flow of future projects?