Vegas 7 and JVC 24p HDV at DVinfo.net

Ron German · September 13th, 2006, 06:59 AM

Does Vegas 7 now support native capture, editing and output JVC`s 24p HDV or will we stay depending on intermediate codecs like Cineform?
Thanks
Ron

Ron German · September 13th, 2006, 11:29 AM

Hello
Simple question...No answer???
Ron

Werner Wesp · September 13th, 2006, 11:42 AM

JVC's 25p works fine, but it already worked fine in 6.0d... I would expect no probs with 24p

Joe Bowey · September 13th, 2006, 03:52 PM

Why does people using FCP seem to have a problem with hDV 24p? I seem to read a lot of threads where people have problems editing 24p using FCP.

George David · September 13th, 2006, 09:37 PM

Ron, editing 24p footage from the HD100 in Vegas 7 will feel like editing DV. You'll love it.

Ron German · September 14th, 2006, 07:46 AM

Thank you George
“editing 24p footage from the HD100 in Vegas 7 will feel like editing DV”
You mean just using Vegas 7, I can capture, edit and output JVC`s 24p HDV without the help of Cineform ConectHD?
Best
Ron

George David · September 14th, 2006, 09:33 AM

Ron, that is correct. Connect your HD100 via firewire, fire it up. Vegas 7 has an internal capture program (not the external which is only for DV) and you will be prompted whether you want to capture DV or HDV. Your camera will be recognized. Capture m2t files (log and batch if necessary). Drag the m2t files on the timeline. Edit away without an intermediate. Now I've read from Spot that it's better to edit with m2ts when there is no or minimal color correction involved. It's still good to use an intermediate otherwise.

IMHO, shooting your HD100 with the look you want in-camera and editing the native m2ts yield the best results in color and resolution.

Regardless, editing HDV or Cineform AVI will be super quick.

Good luck!!!

Scott Shuster · November 17th, 2006, 02:51 PM

Dear Vegas Friends: I'm one of those sufferers with a JVC GY-HD100UA and Final Cut Pro...where we see these errant scene-breaks occur when we bring video from the camera into our computers. I get the impression that George and others here are experiencing NO such problems in Vegas. Well we are not about to throw all our FCP licenses (and FCP editors!) out the window, but I wonder if we could benefit by buying one copy of Vegas 7 and using it to import all our raw footage onto an external drive in some format or another that could then be opened in FCP. Does anyone hereabouts know if that would work? Over on the MAC boards the talk is all about 'workarounds' -- if this works it could be the easiest workaround yet...

Phil Hamilton · November 18th, 2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by George David

Ron, that is correct. Connect your HD100 via firewire, fire it up. Vegas 7 has an internal capture program (not the external which is only for DV) and you will be prompted whether you want to capture DV or HDV. Your camera will be recognized. Capture m2t files (log and batch if necessary). Drag the m2t files on the timeline. Edit away without an intermediate. Now I've read from Spot that it's better to edit with m2ts when there is no or minimal color correction involved. It's still good to use an intermediate otherwise.

IMHO, shooting your HD100 with the look you want in-camera and editing the native m2ts yield the best results in color and resolution.

Regardless, editing HDV or Cineform AVI will be super quick.

Good luck!!!

Which Vegas 7 preset on Property Prefs to the timeline should you use? HD-1080-24p?

George David · November 18th, 2006, 02:13 PM

Hi Scott, the workaround that I use to transfer my windows files to FCP is to capture the m2ts in Vegas and then transfer/convert that using MPEG Streamclip to Apple HDV 720p24 or AIC. However, I only do this if I have to because the process is very long and painful. If I know I'll be using FCP from the start, I just use the built-in capture to Apple HDV just like the rest. If you capture in Vegas, you might as well edit in Vegas :-) You may like it.

Phil, the Vegas preset that I use is customized - HDV 1280 x 720, 23.976 fps. It's weird that this setting is not among the built-in presets. I use the HDV 720-25p template and change the frame rate.

Phil Hamilton · November 18th, 2006, 04:16 PM

yeah. That's what I thought would need to happen but you are correct it is weird that this there is no 720/24p preset....just wanted to make sure I was seeing this correctly.

Now the next question: So you do the project with these presets - what is the destination for the video? You can put it to 24p DVD NTSC Widescreen Mpg for your DVD Architect project. That would seem to be the only option to take advantage - cheaply - of the 24p the HD100 records - correct? Can you PRINT TO HD TAPE? Would it render properly in that mode?

I am just trying to see what the viable options are given the infancy of HD DVD and the cost of trying to do a true filmout. Most of my projects now are going to DVD Architect in SD. I save the M2T file created when printing to Tape for possible hd render to DVD later on. I am curious about other's workflows on this....

George David · November 19th, 2006, 01:04 AM

Phil, my favorite is to output to WMVHD 720p and use a projector connected via DVI or LCD TV to showcase a high-def video. I also like to output back to tape or straight m2t (mpeg2 HDV) so I can take that finished project anywhere at it's best state. For SD DVD, I take that same file (m2t), drop it on DVD architect and use the DV 24p setting (23.976, progressive). Under the video tab, if there is a setting for Best, I always choose that.

How do you like the HD100?

Phil Hamilton · November 20th, 2006, 08:48 AM

George - thanks for the reply. I don't have the JVC HD100 yet but was gathering technical information and how it works with Vegas, etc. Looks like a great camera. I have the Sony HDR-HC1 now and am considering upgrading.

Bill Ravens · November 20th, 2006, 09:08 AM

FWIW..I went from a Canon XL2 to an HD110U. The JVC is a totally enjoyable camera, much more user friendly than the Canon, seems to have more latitude, and is so much nicer to use than the Canon. All in all, I love it.

September 13th, 2006, 06:59 AM	#1
Ron German Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brasil Posts: 304	Vegas 7 and JVC 24p HDV Does Vegas 7 now support native capture, editing and output JVC`s 24p HDV or will we stay depending on intermediate codecs like Cineform? Thanks Ron

November 17th, 2006, 02:51 PM	#8
Scott Shuster Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 125	Dear Vegas Friends: I'm one of those sufferers with a JVC GY-HD100UA and Final Cut Pro...where we see these errant scene-breaks occur when we bring video from the camera into our computers. I get the impression that George and others here are experiencing NO such problems in Vegas. Well we are not about to throw all our FCP licenses (and FCP editors!) out the window, but I wonder if we could benefit by buying one copy of Vegas 7 and using it to import all our raw footage onto an external drive in some format or another that could then be opened in FCP. Does anyone hereabouts know if that would work? Over on the MAC boards the talk is all about 'workarounds' -- if this works it could be the easiest workaround yet... __________________ http://stratostream.com -- dance & fitness videos

November 18th, 2006, 04:16 PM	#11
Phil Hamilton Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 150	yeah. That's what I thought would need to happen but you are correct it is weird that this there is no 720/24p preset....just wanted to make sure I was seeing this correctly. Now the next question: So you do the project with these presets - what is the destination for the video? You can put it to 24p DVD NTSC Widescreen Mpg for your DVD Architect project. That would seem to be the only option to take advantage - cheaply - of the 24p the HD100 records - correct? Can you PRINT TO HD TAPE? Would it render properly in that mode? I am just trying to see what the viable options are given the infancy of HD DVD and the cost of trying to do a true filmout. Most of my projects now are going to DVD Architect in SD. I save the M2T file created when printing to Tape for possible hd render to DVD later on. I am curious about other's workflows on this.... __________________ Phil Hamilton hamiltonp@sbcglobal.net Dallas, Texas " I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! ..."

November 19th, 2006, 01:04 AM	#12
George David Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 150	Phil, my favorite is to output to WMVHD 720p and use a projector connected via DVI or LCD TV to showcase a high-def video. I also like to output back to tape or straight m2t (mpeg2 HDV) so I can take that finished project anywhere at it's best state. For SD DVD, I take that same file (m2t), drop it on DVD architect and use the DV 24p setting (23.976, progressive). Under the video tab, if there is a setting for Best, I always choose that. How do you like the HD100? Last edited by George David; November 19th, 2006 at 01:37 AM.

November 20th, 2006, 08:48 AM	#13
Phil Hamilton Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 150	George - thanks for the reply. I don't have the JVC HD100 yet but was gathering technical information and how it works with Vegas, etc. Looks like a great camera. I have the Sony HDR-HC1 now and am considering upgrading. __________________ Phil Hamilton hamiltonp@sbcglobal.net Dallas, Texas " I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! ..."

September 13th, 2006, 11:29 AM	#2
Ron German Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brasil Posts: 304	Hello Simple question...No answer??? Ron

September 13th, 2006, 11:42 AM	#3
Werner Wesp Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 497	JVC's 25p works fine, but it already worked fine in 6.0d... I would expect no probs with 24p

September 13th, 2006, 03:52 PM	#4
Joe Bowey Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 217	Why does people using FCP seem to have a problem with hDV 24p? I seem to read a lot of threads where people have problems editing 24p using FCP.

September 13th, 2006, 09:37 PM	#5
George David Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 150	Ron, editing 24p footage from the HD100 in Vegas 7 will feel like editing DV. You'll love it.

September 14th, 2006, 07:46 AM	#6
Ron German Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brasil Posts: 304	Thank you George “editing 24p footage from the HD100 in Vegas 7 will feel like editing DV” You mean just using Vegas 7, I can capture, edit and output JVC`s 24p HDV without the help of Cineform ConectHD? Best Ron

September 14th, 2006, 09:33 AM	#7
George David Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 150	Ron, that is correct. Connect your HD100 via firewire, fire it up. Vegas 7 has an internal capture program (not the external which is only for DV) and you will be prompted whether you want to capture DV or HDV. Your camera will be recognized. Capture m2t files (log and batch if necessary). Drag the m2t files on the timeline. Edit away without an intermediate. Now I've read from Spot that it's better to edit with m2ts when there is no or minimal color correction involved. It's still good to use an intermediate otherwise. IMHO, shooting your HD100 with the look you want in-camera and editing the native m2ts yield the best results in color and resolution. Regardless, editing HDV or Cineform AVI will be super quick. Good luck!!!

November 18th, 2006, 02:13 PM	#10
George David Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 150	Hi Scott, the workaround that I use to transfer my windows files to FCP is to capture the m2ts in Vegas and then transfer/convert that using MPEG Streamclip to Apple HDV 720p24 or AIC. However, I only do this if I have to because the process is very long and painful. If I know I'll be using FCP from the start, I just use the built-in capture to Apple HDV just like the rest. If you capture in Vegas, you might as well edit in Vegas :-) You may like it. Phil, the Vegas preset that I use is customized - HDV 1280 x 720, 23.976 fps. It's weird that this setting is not among the built-in presets. I use the HDV 720-25p template and change the frame rate.

November 20th, 2006, 09:08 AM	#14
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	FWIW..I went from a Canon XL2 to an HD110U. The JVC is a totally enjoyable camera, much more user friendly than the Canon, seems to have more latitude, and is so much nicer to use than the Canon. All in all, I love it.