Capture issues with AMD at DVinfo.net

Gary Smith · August 9th, 2006, 09:11 AM

Hi all;

I just bought a new computer for editing HDV;

XI tower 64 AGE-SLI
AMD 64 x 2 4800 64 bit dual core
nvidia Geforce 7800GTX 256 M DDR3 PCI
3 Gigs ram
3 160 GB hard drives (raid zero)

One fire-wire port.

Camera; HDR-FX1 setup for m2t output.

I am able to capture fine with Media Studio Pro-7 but editing is slow after 10 minutes on the timeline. I tried to order MSP-8 to try editing with proxy files but I waited a month for the software and gave up on the Ulead order.

I thought I'd make the jump to Vegas-6 & (Cineform intermediate codec) to speed up workflow but I am not able to capture with the Vegas 6 software. The camera is recognized and I can fast forward and rewind with the on-screen controls but when I push the play or record button, my computer locks up. I read some posts that suggest another fire-wire card and/or Connect HD to capture but I am not interested in spending any more money when this software should work out of the box. I am ready to throw in the towel on this Sony software after two full days of struggle. Anyone have any tricks up their sleeves? BTW; I am able to capture and utilize on screen camera controls on my Dell M-90 laptop with Vegas-6 so I know the camera and software can work together. Thanks for any tips.

Guy Bruner · August 9th, 2006, 10:45 AM

Gary,
Are you using WinXP SP2 or WinXP 64?
Are you using the internal capture application for HDV?
Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling Vegas while stopping all background applications like virus checkers, MS Update, iTunes?

Gary Smith · August 9th, 2006, 11:12 AM

Guy;
Thanks for the reply. I am using SP-2 and the internal capture app. for HDV. I have not un-installed and re-installed with background software disabled. Will try that this eve.

Thanks for your help;

Gary Smith · August 16th, 2006, 09:40 AM

Tried the uninstall reinstall and I have the same issues. I am throwing in the towell on Vegas. I just ordered Ulead's Media Studio Pro 8.

James Harring · August 16th, 2006, 04:46 PM

First, check the obvious:
The Device Is Slow After Connecting
If you connect a low-speed device (such as a 200 MB/second hub, repeater, or other device) in the chain between the host controller and the high-speed device, the software must fragment the packets to accommodate the configuration. Always place low-speed devices at the end of a chain.

Cable Length
The limit for a FireWire cable is 4.5 meters.

Now look at XP OS:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885222/en-us

SYMPTOMS
After you update your computer to Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2), the performance of your 1394a or 1394b FireWire devices may be greatly decreased. A digital camera that uses S400 speed is an example of such a device.

There is a slight possibility if the firewire card is "no-name" card could be at fault or thiere's a chipset issue on your motherboard that causes this issue too. If the firewire is embedded in the motherboard, flash the bios. However, this is usually software.

Vincent Croce · August 16th, 2006, 06:46 PM

I'm with James on this one...give the update a shot.

Bogdan Vaglarov · August 17th, 2006, 08:05 AM

Why everybody is pointing on this patch? If you read the MS page carefully it says the speed is down on PC where 1394b connector was present and it was upgraded to WinXP SP2.
I don't read anywhere that if you have only normal 1394a FireWire updating to SP2 will lead to problems!

Quote: "This problem occurs if you connect a 1394a or 1394b FireWire device to a 1394b port. This problem occurs because Windows XP SP2 changes 1394b ports to S100 speed when you upgrade."

Chris Barcellos · August 17th, 2006, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Smith

Hi all;

I just bought a new computer for editing HDV;

XI tower 64 AGE-SLI
AMD 64 x 2 4800 64 bit dual core
nvidia Geforce 7800GTX 256 M DDR3 PCI
3 Gigs ram
3 160 GB hard drives (raid zero)

One fire-wire port.

Camera; HDR-FX1 setup for m2t output.

I am able to capture fine with Media Studio Pro-7 but editing is slow after 10 minutes on the timeline. I tried to order MSP-8 to try editing with proxy files but I waited a month for the software and gave up on the Ulead order.

I thought I'd make the jump to Vegas-6 & (Cineform intermediate codec) to speed up workflow but I am not able to capture with the Vegas 6 software. The camera is recognized and I can fast forward and rewind with the on-screen controls but when I push the play or record button, my computer locks up. I read some posts that suggest another fire-wire card and/or Connect HD to capture but I am not interested in spending any more money when this software should work out of the box. I am ready to throw in the towel on this Sony software after two full days of struggle. Anyone have any tricks up their sleeves? BTW; I am able to capture and utilize on screen camera controls on my Dell M-90 laptop with Vegas-6 so I know the camera and software can work together. Thanks for any tips.

I would not conclude it is AMD, as the title suggests. I am running a dual 3800+ with 2 gigs memory, and 7200 rpm drives, and I shoot an FX1. I can capture in Vegas Movie Studio fine (stripped down version of Vegas), either SD DV, or the internal HDV. As a first step, try downloading HDVSplit, (a freeware program) to see if you can capture using it. That is a simple program to capture HDV, and will tell you if your camera is connecting properly with the system.

James Harring · August 17th, 2006, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogdan Vaglarov

Why everybody is pointing on this patch? If you read the MS page carefully it says the speed is down on PC where 1394b connector was present and it was upgraded to WinXP SP2.
I don't read anywhere that if you have only normal 1394a FireWire updating to SP2 will lead to problems!

Quote: "This problem occurs if you connect a 1394a or 1394b FireWire device to a 1394b port. This problem occurs because Windows XP SP2 changes 1394b ports to S100 speed when you upgrade."

I am pointing to this because many times these patches, BIOS updates et. al. fixthings you will never see in the "readme.txt' file. Lately I have seen many wi-fi connectivity issues by driver updates that were not even remotly documented.

Richard Zlamany · August 17th, 2006, 06:27 PM

I am running an AMD x2 with Vegas and WinXP SP2 and it is running great. I use 3 external drives and 3 decks/cameras connected to it with only one small problem. The old deck DSR20 is not recognized by windows but it still works well.

I have no clue why it wouldn't work with your system. Maybe something is configured or installed improperly.

Gary Smith · August 22nd, 2006, 01:35 PM

Thanks to everyone for your feedback. I am able to capture with HDV split but since Media Studio Pro 8 has arrived I am using it exclusively for capturing and editing. See ya later Vegas. Great screen preview and camera controls as well as "piece of cake" link up to the camera. I was worried about the proxy files but they are fine. I learned to edit with this software so I am pleased with knowing all of the shortcuts and not having to learn all of the shortcuts and workarounds with Vegas. Again, thanks for all of your help.

August 9th, 2006, 09:11 AM	#1
Gary Smith Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Berryville, Va. 22611 Posts: 28	Capture issues with AMD Hi all; I just bought a new computer for editing HDV; XI tower 64 AGE-SLI AMD 64 x 2 4800 64 bit dual core nvidia Geforce 7800GTX 256 M DDR3 PCI 3 Gigs ram 3 160 GB hard drives (raid zero) One fire-wire port. Camera; HDR-FX1 setup for m2t output. I am able to capture fine with Media Studio Pro-7 but editing is slow after 10 minutes on the timeline. I tried to order MSP-8 to try editing with proxy files but I waited a month for the software and gave up on the Ulead order. I thought I'd make the jump to Vegas-6 & (Cineform intermediate codec) to speed up workflow but I am not able to capture with the Vegas 6 software. The camera is recognized and I can fast forward and rewind with the on-screen controls but when I push the play or record button, my computer locks up. I read some posts that suggest another fire-wire card and/or Connect HD to capture but I am not interested in spending any more money when this software should work out of the box. I am ready to throw in the towel on this Sony software after two full days of struggle. Anyone have any tricks up their sleeves? BTW; I am able to capture and utilize on screen camera controls on my Dell M-90 laptop with Vegas-6 so I know the camera and software can work together. Thanks for any tips. __________________ Gary Smith

August 9th, 2006, 11:12 AM	#3
Gary Smith Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Berryville, Va. 22611 Posts: 28	Capture issues with AMD Guy; Thanks for the reply. I am using SP-2 and the internal capture app. for HDV. I have not un-installed and re-installed with background software disabled. Will try that this eve. Thanks for your help; __________________ Gary Smith

August 16th, 2006, 09:40 AM	#4
Gary Smith Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Berryville, Va. 22611 Posts: 28	AMD capture issues for HDV Tried the uninstall reinstall and I have the same issues. I am throwing in the towell on Vegas. I just ordered Ulead's Media Studio Pro 8. __________________ Gary Smith

August 16th, 2006, 04:46 PM	#5
James Harring Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 210	Firewire issue: You may want to look at Windows XP First, check the obvious: The Device Is Slow After Connecting If you connect a low-speed device (such as a 200 MB/second hub, repeater, or other device) in the chain between the host controller and the high-speed device, the software must fragment the packets to accommodate the configuration. Always place low-speed devices at the end of a chain. Cable Length The limit for a FireWire cable is 4.5 meters. Now look at XP OS: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885222/en-us SYMPTOMS After you update your computer to Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2), the performance of your 1394a or 1394b FireWire devices may be greatly decreased. A digital camera that uses S400 speed is an example of such a device. There is a slight possibility if the firewire card is "no-name" card could be at fault or thiere's a chipset issue on your motherboard that causes this issue too. If the firewire is embedded in the motherboard, flash the bios. However, this is usually software.

August 16th, 2006, 06:46 PM	#6
Vincent Croce Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Fort Myers, FL Posts: 263	firewire patch for Windows XP SP2 I'm with James on this one...give the update a shot.

August 9th, 2006, 10:45 AM	#2
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	Gary, Are you using WinXP SP2 or WinXP 64? Are you using the internal capture application for HDV? Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling Vegas while stopping all background applications like virus checkers, MS Update, iTunes?

August 17th, 2006, 08:05 AM	#7
Bogdan Vaglarov Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 366	Why everybody is pointing on this patch? If you read the MS page carefully it says the speed is down on PC where 1394b connector was present and it was upgraded to WinXP SP2. I don't read anywhere that if you have only normal 1394a FireWire updating to SP2 will lead to problems! Quote: "This problem occurs if you connect a 1394a or 1394b FireWire device to a 1394b port. This problem occurs because Windows XP SP2 changes 1394b ports to S100 speed when you upgrade."

August 17th, 2006, 06:27 PM	#10
Richard Zlamany Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamden CT Posts: 470	I am running an AMD x2 with Vegas and WinXP SP2 and it is running great. I use 3 external drives and 3 decks/cameras connected to it with only one small problem. The old deck DSR20 is not recognized by windows but it still works well. I have no clue why it wouldn't work with your system. Maybe something is configured or installed improperly.

August 22nd, 2006, 01:35 PM	#11
Gary Smith Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Berryville, Va. 22611 Posts: 28	I've cut the Vegas cord Thanks to everyone for your feedback. I am able to capture with HDV split but since Media Studio Pro 8 has arrived I am using it exclusively for capturing and editing. See ya later Vegas. Great screen preview and camera controls as well as "piece of cake" link up to the camera. I was worried about the proxy files but they are fine. I learned to edit with this software so I am pleased with knowing all of the shortcuts and not having to learn all of the shortcuts and workarounds with Vegas. Again, thanks for all of your help. __________________ Gary Smith