Anyone used the Replace function? at DVinfo.net

David Tyler · April 22nd, 2006, 05:21 AM

I've been editing an avi proxy in Vegas 6d made from an HDV original. The editing is now finished and I've selected replace to substitute the original HDV back. However, the replacement doesn't appear to be frame accurate. Consequently I have odd unwanted frames at some of the cuts. I'm just wondering whether anyone else has experienced this?
Thanks
David

Peter Jefferson · April 22nd, 2006, 07:24 AM

so ur replacing a DVAVi with an M2t??

Hmm...

never tried that... usually I just use cineform avi as performance only takes a slight hit compared to SD DV and rendering is furiously faster than M2t....

Shawn Redford · April 22nd, 2006, 02:26 PM

Have you considered GearShift?

David Tyler · April 28th, 2006, 11:06 AM

OK I've now tried this a few times under different circumstances and I can confirm that the replace function is not frame accurate. I was hoping not to have to buy more software (ie gearshift) as the replace function should in theory do everything I want on its own.

Oh well. Looks like I'll have to allow greater tollerance in my edits (ie not right up to the edge of the usable frames).

Fred Foronda · May 1st, 2006, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Tyler

I've been editing an avi proxy in Vegas 6d made from an HDV original. The editing is now finished and I've selected replace to substitute the original HDV back. However, the replacement doesn't appear to be frame accurate. Consequently I have odd unwanted frames at some of the cuts. I'm just wondering whether anyone else has experienced this?
Thanks
David

You know I just experienced this also. I converted my m2t on the fly with CFHD codec (connect HD trail version). Did my cuts and put them togther. Next I made a DVD out of it came out great. Next I wanted the master copy printed on to HDV tape. I replace that CFHD codec to the origianl M2T. As I previewed the cuts,dissolves, and transitions I noticed unwanted frame!!! I had to go to each transition and fix it and you know how painful that is with the M2T files!! Does anyone have a fix for this??

Fred Foronda · May 1st, 2006, 10:59 AM

I got answer for this problem:http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...d=1#post474649

Thanks everyone for a great site!!!

David Tyler · May 1st, 2006, 01:38 PM

Sorry, but this isn't an answer for me. I'm not using the Cineform intermediate avi, I'm using a lower res proxy. The replace is an essential part of the process. Looks like the answer is just that as experienced, the replace is not frame accurate. Now that I know this I will try to adjust my edit technique accordingly.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · May 1st, 2006, 02:01 PM

Did you create the proxy in Vegas? Or elsewhere? It should be frame accurate on the replace, but if you did it by hand, without using a region, it's quite possible you've got an error in there.

David Tyler · May 3rd, 2006, 01:19 PM

I created the proxy (SD avi) in Vegas. I didn't use regions but just dragged the whole HDV file to the timeline and rendered it. I assumed it would render the whole thing. It certainly seemed to.

David Tyler · May 7th, 2006, 12:27 PM

Douglas, what did you mean by 'by hand'? If I just create a region equivalent to the whole file will this work? I don't understand why creating a region is necessary if I'm rendering the whole file? Sorry to have so many questions.

David Tyler · May 9th, 2006, 12:26 PM

Douglas, sorry to hassle you but I could really use an answer to this one. It will be a real pain if I have to do a tidy-up edit on the hdv footage after replacing.

Thanks

David Tyler · June 26th, 2006, 12:17 PM

I've now tried pulling the original m2t footage onto the timeline, creating a loop region from the start to the end of it and rendering that to an avi file (in Vegas 6d). I edit the avi file and finally choose replace to substitute the original m2t file, but its still not frame accurate. In fact its out by as much as 10 frames on some cuts.

Can anyone offer any help on this one, (other than using Gearshift which I was hoping I wouldn't need to do).

Thanks

April 22nd, 2006, 05:21 AM	#1
David Tyler Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 34	Anyone used the Replace function? I've been editing an avi proxy in Vegas 6d made from an HDV original. The editing is now finished and I've selected replace to substitute the original HDV back. However, the replacement doesn't appear to be frame accurate. Consequently I have odd unwanted frames at some of the cuts. I'm just wondering whether anyone else has experienced this? Thanks David

May 1st, 2006, 02:01 PM	#8
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Did you create the proxy in Vegas? Or elsewhere? It should be frame accurate on the replace, but if you did it by hand, without using a region, it's quite possible you've got an error in there. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

June 26th, 2006, 12:17 PM	#12
David Tyler Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 34	Please help I've now tried pulling the original m2t footage onto the timeline, creating a loop region from the start to the end of it and rendering that to an avi file (in Vegas 6d). I edit the avi file and finally choose replace to substitute the original m2t file, but its still not frame accurate. In fact its out by as much as 10 frames on some cuts. Can anyone offer any help on this one, (other than using Gearshift which I was hoping I wouldn't need to do). Thanks

April 22nd, 2006, 07:24 AM	#2
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	so ur replacing a DVAVi with an M2t?? Hmm... never tried that... usually I just use cineform avi as performance only takes a slight hit compared to SD DV and rendering is furiously faster than M2t....

April 22nd, 2006, 02:26 PM	#3
Shawn Redford Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 158	Have you considered GearShift?

April 28th, 2006, 11:06 AM	#4
David Tyler Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 34	OK I've now tried this a few times under different circumstances and I can confirm that the replace function is not frame accurate. I was hoping not to have to buy more software (ie gearshift) as the replace function should in theory do everything I want on its own. Oh well. Looks like I'll have to allow greater tollerance in my edits (ie not right up to the edge of the usable frames).

May 1st, 2006, 10:59 AM	#6
Fred Foronda Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hawaii Posts: 337	I got answer for this problem:http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...d=1#post474649 Thanks everyone for a great site!!!

May 1st, 2006, 01:38 PM	#7
David Tyler Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 34	Sorry, but this isn't an answer for me. I'm not using the Cineform intermediate avi, I'm using a lower res proxy. The replace is an essential part of the process. Looks like the answer is just that as experienced, the replace is not frame accurate. Now that I know this I will try to adjust my edit technique accordingly.

May 3rd, 2006, 01:19 PM	#9
David Tyler Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 34	I created the proxy (SD avi) in Vegas. I didn't use regions but just dragged the whole HDV file to the timeline and rendered it. I assumed it would render the whole thing. It certainly seemed to.

May 7th, 2006, 12:27 PM	#10
David Tyler Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 34	Douglas, what did you mean by 'by hand'? If I just create a region equivalent to the whole file will this work? I don't understand why creating a region is necessary if I'm rendering the whole file? Sorry to have so many questions.

May 9th, 2006, 12:26 PM	#11
David Tyler Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 34	Douglas, sorry to hassle you but I could really use an answer to this one. It will be a real pain if I have to do a tidy-up edit on the hdv footage after replacing. Thanks