Vegas Video discussions from 2002

Edward Troxel · September 4th, 2002, 01:14 PM

While I agree the manual could be improved, these methods ARE mentioned in the manual. Yes, they could be better organized but they ARE there. The pages listed below are the PDF page numbers.

The velocity envelope is discussed in full beginning on page 159.

The "Time Stretching" (as it is called in the manual) - i.e. the CTRL-drag - is given an overview on pages 138 & 139.

The "Playback Rate" in the Properties dialog is discussed on page 155.

Bill Ravens · September 4th, 2002, 01:21 PM

Perhaps there are some people unaware that there is a seperate manual available from SoFo that is pretty inclusive. The manual that comes with the software is pretty worthless except to get you started. The HELP function provided with VV3 is, also, very useful.

Josh Bass · September 4th, 2002, 02:55 PM

Where is this other manual available?

Bill Ravens · September 4th, 2002, 03:02 PM

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/NewShowProduct.asp?PID=686

Don Donatello · September 4th, 2002, 03:56 PM

i would think that a "macro" could be written that once you had the clips in VV time line it would pull 2 frames out of each 2 second clips. or pull 2 frames and delete the next 58.

you might post your question over on the VV board. there is a person over there that does come up with "marco" answers for these kind of things ( delete every other frame .. then double each remaining frame )

Josh Bass · September 4th, 2002, 05:59 PM

I'm sorry. . .not to sound stupid: a macro is a tiny program or plugin that can be integrated into the software? I'm unfamiliar with the term.

September 5th, 2002, 07:38 AM

1 - Does anyone have any info on when the next version of Vegas Video might come our way?

2 - What features are they working on?

3 - Which hardware product(s) might the next version possibly be bundled with?

I'm doing research on getting video technology for my company over the next 3-6 months and this product looks very promising. FYI we've pretty much ruled out Premiere, sorry, we have Photoshop and while it's a very powerful program, we use only about 10% of its potential thanks to Adobe's continued insistence on making PSP as cryptic and difficult to use as possible and we fear that Premiere might be the same way (I certainly don't mean to start a debate here, just stating what has been our experience for the past 4 versions of PSP, we think that power does NOT have to equate ridiculous learning curve in software.) Anyway, no one here has the time resources or the patience to deal with that...

Thanks a bunch for your help.

Miles

Zac Stein · September 5th, 2002, 07:58 AM

BUT..... yes photoshop is cryptic as anything, but has become a lot easier to use.

Premiere on the other hand is so intuitive it is amazing. I have used many forms of avid, including the latest dv express 3.5, final cut pro up to latest version as well as vegas.

To be honest the easier, and most intuitive was Premiere.

I am not trying to change your decision, but the learning curve in Premiere is nothing like photoshop at all.

I want to ask you, if you have used Final Cut Pro, which many people consider the absolute standard, well Premiere was designed by the same person, and for me, i just fell into it with no problems and after about 4 weeks had exploited every single feature it had to offer.

kermie

ps. also one nice thing about premiere is the massive amount of supported hardware and basic support, version updates and plugins available.

Bill Ravens · September 5th, 2002, 08:41 AM

I've long abandoned Premier for VV3 and I love it. I'll be at the VAST workshop in Denver on Sept 17th. Hope to find out more about VV4 at that time.

Edward Troxel · September 5th, 2002, 10:40 AM

Yes, if you are going to use vegas, download and read the large PDF manual. It's about 350 pages of wonderful information including the references I mentioned earlier.

As for the Macro, it is basically a series of keypresses that can be activated by just pressing a couple of keys. There are many macro programs available on the internet. You start the macro program "recording", do a key sequence, and then define a specific keypress to activate that key sequence. Then that key sequence can be used repeatedly very quickly.

An alternative to a macro program is a device such as the Contour ShuttlePro. It will let you define macros for the buttons on the hardware device. I've heard it is a great device to use with VV but have not yet tried it myself.

Edward Troxel · September 5th, 2002, 10:57 AM

Personally, I found Premiere was NO WHERE NEAR as intuitive as Vegas Video. Trying to figure out how to do a simple 3 camera edit was next to impossible with Premiere and possible without even looking at the manual in VV. In my opinion, VV wins hands down.

As for the new version of VV - no official announcement has been made concerning either the release date or features to be added/improved. A listing in a financial report indicated early 2003 as a possible release date. I would look for a new version in about 6 to 9 months.

Jay Gladwell · September 5th, 2002, 11:13 AM

Ed, you made it sound as though there was another manual in addition to the "free" pdf file available for download.

Based on my experience with that particular manual, I'm having a really hard time referring to its contents as "wonderful."

Bill Ravens · September 5th, 2002, 11:16 AM

If people were to read these posts more carefully...*sigh*...
anyway...there is a 350 PAGE manual available ...not for free...and very all inclusive..."wonderful" is a good adjective.

Jay Gladwell · September 5th, 2002, 11:57 AM

Bill, I did read the post, thank you very much. He referred to the manual in a pdf file which IS free and available for downloading. The sprial bound version, based on what the site says, is the same manual. Ed's post made it sound like there was another--separate--manual. Not all us here profess to know everything.

Bill Ravens · September 5th, 2002, 12:33 PM

Jay...

Sorry, I can be a little caustic. If you go to the website I provided above in this thread, you'll see a manual that's $29.95. That's the one to get....forget the free one...you get what you pay for.

September 4th, 2002, 02:55 PM	#48
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Where is this other manual available? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

September 4th, 2002, 05:59 PM	#51
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I'm sorry. . .not to sound stupid: a macro is a tiny program or plugin that can be integrated into the software? I'm unfamiliar with the term. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

September 5th, 2002, 07:38 AM	#52
Miles J. Posts: n/a	Vegas Video, next version 1 - Does anyone have any info on when the next version of Vegas Video might come our way? 2 - What features are they working on? 3 - Which hardware product(s) might the next version possibly be bundled with? I'm doing research on getting video technology for my company over the next 3-6 months and this product looks very promising. FYI we've pretty much ruled out Premiere, sorry, we have Photoshop and while it's a very powerful program, we use only about 10% of its potential thanks to Adobe's continued insistence on making PSP as cryptic and difficult to use as possible and we fear that Premiere might be the same way (I certainly don't mean to start a debate here, just stating what has been our experience for the past 4 versions of PSP, we think that power does NOT have to equate ridiculous learning curve in software.) Anyway, no one here has the time resources or the patience to deal with that... Thanks a bunch for your help. Miles

September 5th, 2002, 07:58 AM	#53
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	not advocating anything! BUT..... yes photoshop is cryptic as anything, but has become a lot easier to use. Premiere on the other hand is so intuitive it is amazing. I have used many forms of avid, including the latest dv express 3.5, final cut pro up to latest version as well as vegas. To be honest the easier, and most intuitive was Premiere. I am not trying to change your decision, but the learning curve in Premiere is nothing like photoshop at all. I want to ask you, if you have used Final Cut Pro, which many people consider the absolute standard, well Premiere was designed by the same person, and for me, i just fell into it with no problems and after about 4 weeks had exploited every single feature it had to offer. kermie ps. also one nice thing about premiere is the massive amount of supported hardware and basic support, version updates and plugins available.

September 4th, 2002, 01:14 PM	#46
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	While I agree the manual could be improved, these methods ARE mentioned in the manual. Yes, they could be better organized but they ARE there. The pages listed below are the PDF page numbers. The velocity envelope is discussed in full beginning on page 159. The "Time Stretching" (as it is called in the manual) - i.e. the CTRL-drag - is given an overview on pages 138 & 139. The "Playback Rate" in the Properties dialog is discussed on page 155.

September 4th, 2002, 01:21 PM	#47
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Perhaps there are some people unaware that there is a seperate manual available from SoFo that is pretty inclusive. The manual that comes with the software is pretty worthless except to get you started. The HELP function provided with VV3 is, also, very useful.

September 4th, 2002, 03:02 PM	#49
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/NewShowProduct.asp?PID=686

September 4th, 2002, 03:56 PM	#50
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	i would think that a "macro" could be written that once you had the clips in VV time line it would pull 2 frames out of each 2 second clips. or pull 2 frames and delete the next 58. you might post your question over on the VV board. there is a person over there that does come up with "marco" answers for these kind of things ( delete every other frame .. then double each remaining frame )

September 5th, 2002, 08:41 AM	#54
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	I've long abandoned Premier for VV3 and I love it. I'll be at the VAST workshop in Denver on Sept 17th. Hope to find out more about VV4 at that time.

September 5th, 2002, 10:40 AM	#55
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes, if you are going to use vegas, download and read the large PDF manual. It's about 350 pages of wonderful information including the references I mentioned earlier. As for the Macro, it is basically a series of keypresses that can be activated by just pressing a couple of keys. There are many macro programs available on the internet. You start the macro program "recording", do a key sequence, and then define a specific keypress to activate that key sequence. Then that key sequence can be used repeatedly very quickly. An alternative to a macro program is a device such as the Contour ShuttlePro. It will let you define macros for the buttons on the hardware device. I've heard it is a great device to use with VV but have not yet tried it myself.

September 5th, 2002, 10:57 AM	#56
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Personally, I found Premiere was NO WHERE NEAR as intuitive as Vegas Video. Trying to figure out how to do a simple 3 camera edit was next to impossible with Premiere and possible without even looking at the manual in VV. In my opinion, VV wins hands down. As for the new version of VV - no official announcement has been made concerning either the release date or features to be added/improved. A listing in a financial report indicated early 2003 as a possible release date. I would look for a new version in about 6 to 9 months.

September 5th, 2002, 11:13 AM	#57
Jay Gladwell Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,244	Ed, you made it sound as though there was another manual in addition to the "free" pdf file available for download. Based on my experience with that particular manual, I'm having a really hard time referring to its contents as "wonderful."

September 5th, 2002, 11:16 AM	#58
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	If people were to read these posts more carefully...sigh... anyway...there is a 350 PAGE manual available ...not for free...and very all inclusive..."wonderful" is a good adjective.

September 5th, 2002, 11:57 AM	#59
Jay Gladwell Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,244	Bill, I did read the post, thank you very much. He referred to the manual in a pdf file which IS free and available for downloading. The sprial bound version, based on what the site says, is the same manual. Ed's post made it sound like there was another--separate--manual. Not all us here profess to know everything.

September 5th, 2002, 12:33 PM	#60
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Jay... Sorry, I can be a little caustic. If you go to the website I provided above in this thread, you'll see a manual that's $29.95. That's the one to get....forget the free one...you get what you pay for.