24p Basics: A Vegas Tutorial Video at DVinfo.net

David Jimerson · February 21st, 2006, 09:22 PM

Hi, all --

24p is here to stay, and there are a lot of conflicting ideas out there about capturing and editing 24p, even in Vegas.

Here's a tutorial explaining the basics and cutting through some of the misconceptions and myths.

www.david-jimerson.com/Vegas24pBasics.zip

It's an 18MB .zip file, so right-click and download.

Hope it's helpful. It assumes a basic knowledge of capture, etc., but it directly addresses issues concerning 24p.

Sean Seah · February 22nd, 2006, 06:44 AM

Hey, thanks for the effort!!

Seth Bloombaum · February 22nd, 2006, 12:41 PM

Very good primer - thanks for that.

How about one more chapter about bringing 24p in and burning in DVDA? Info on what happens to 24p in the set-top player and tv?

Regardless, an very helpful piece as it is.

Patrick King · February 22nd, 2006, 01:00 PM

David,

Thanks for confirming what I'd already discovered: If you will just get out of the way and not interfere, Vegas will treat 24p appropriately.

I've also found that if you right click a clip you know is 24p and select "Open with..." and pick Vegas, the Project Properties will be set to 24p. Vegas has really tried hard to idiot proof the production process.

I appreciate the tutorial. Chris, this is exactly the kind of stuff you and the Wranglers should be proud of in hosting this forum. Guys like David going out of their way to educate us with no other reward than educating the community. Chris, I think David's DVinfo dues should be free for the rest of 2006!

David Jimerson · February 22nd, 2006, 04:44 PM

Wow, I appreciate the endorsement!

It's a set of questions which comes up a lot, and it's easier to post a link than it is to type the same thing again and again -- and it's more fun this way, anyway . . .

Paul Cascio · February 22nd, 2006, 06:06 PM

The video was great, very informative and well done. Thanks for taking so much time to share your knowledge.

Paul Cascio
Bristol, CT

Patrick King · February 22nd, 2006, 06:32 PM

Alright, I gotta ask. How do you get a unique call-sign with 57 post in the forum?

David Jimerson · February 22nd, 2006, 08:40 PM

What, I don't deserve one? :)

Peter Wright · February 22nd, 2006, 09:31 PM

Congratulations David - a great tutorial.

I have never worked with 24p before, but I feel like trying now, largely because Vegas, along with your tute, makes it so easy - what differences would apply in PAL land?

David Jimerson · February 22nd, 2006, 09:42 PM

Thanks, Peter -- I appreciate it.

In PAL land, you've REALLY got no worries, because PAL cameras like the DVX100AE don't use 24p; they use 25p. That can be edited on a standard PAL timeline. If you want, you can switch the project to progressive, but it's not necessary to edit. So, no pulldown at ALL to worry about 'round your way.

Standard procedure if you want to go to 24fps film out from 25p is slow it by 4%.

Peter Jefferson · February 22nd, 2006, 10:11 PM

actually for PAL 25p source output to 24p, u dont have to do ANYTHING..

just create a 24p project, and import your files, Vegas will do the rest... i do alot of this kind of conversions for Corp clients i have in the US and Japan the only real pain is the drop in resolution..

Peter Wright · February 23rd, 2006, 06:25 AM

I'll actually be shooting with a Z1, so it sounds like I should just shoot normally in 50i.

David Jimerson · February 23rd, 2006, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Jefferson

actually for PAL 25p source output to 24p, u dont have to do ANYTHING..

just create a 24p project, and import your files, Vegas will do the rest... i do alot of this kind of conversions for Corp clients i have in the US and Japan the only real pain is the drop in resolution..

You can ALWAYS drop anything into any timeline in Vegas and Vegas will take care of it for you, but I assumed from the question that the intention was to keep it in PAL. The 24p timelines in Vegas are NTSC in everything but framerate.

The difference between 24p and 25p in terms of cadence and feel is negligible. The only reason to output as 24p would be to go to 24fps film.

Or, of course, if you're planning to distribute in NTSC land.

David Jimerson · February 23rd, 2006, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Wright

I'll actually be shooting with a Z1, so it sounds like I should just shoot normally in 50i.

Well, the Z1 doesn't shoot in any progressive mode, but the CF25 mode is said to be a pretty darn good approximation of 25p. Give it a shot -- Vegas has got you covered.

William Barber · February 23rd, 2006, 07:12 PM

Great tutorial! I will look out for more of these in the future.

February 21st, 2006, 09:22 PM	#1
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	24p Basics: A Vegas Tutorial Video Hi, all -- 24p is here to stay, and there are a lot of conflicting ideas out there about capturing and editing 24p, even in Vegas. Here's a tutorial explaining the basics and cutting through some of the misconceptions and myths. www.david-jimerson.com/Vegas24pBasics.zip It's an 18MB .zip file, so right-click and download. Hope it's helpful. It assumes a basic knowledge of capture, etc., but it directly addresses issues concerning 24p. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

February 22nd, 2006, 01:00 PM	#4
Patrick King Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Enterprise, AL Posts: 857	David, Thanks for confirming what I'd already discovered: If you will just get out of the way and not interfere, Vegas will treat 24p appropriately. I've also found that if you right click a clip you know is 24p and select "Open with..." and pick Vegas, the Project Properties will be set to 24p. Vegas has really tried hard to idiot proof the production process. I appreciate the tutorial. Chris, this is exactly the kind of stuff you and the Wranglers should be proud of in hosting this forum. Guys like David going out of their way to educate us with no other reward than educating the community. Chris, I think David's DVinfo dues should be free for the rest of 2006! __________________ Fear No Weevil!

February 22nd, 2006, 04:44 PM	#5
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Wow, I appreciate the endorsement! It's a set of questions which comes up a lot, and it's easier to post a link than it is to type the same thing again and again -- and it's more fun this way, anyway . . . __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

February 22nd, 2006, 06:06 PM	#6
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	Thanks David The video was great, very informative and well done. Thanks for taking so much time to share your knowledge. Paul Cascio Bristol, CT __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

February 22nd, 2006, 06:32 PM	#7
Patrick King Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Enterprise, AL Posts: 857	Alright, I gotta ask. How do you get a unique call-sign with 57 post in the forum? __________________ Fear No Weevil!

February 22nd, 2006, 06:44 AM	#2
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	Hey, thanks for the effort!!

February 22nd, 2006, 12:41 PM	#3
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Very good primer - thanks for that. How about one more chapter about bringing 24p in and burning in DVDA? Info on what happens to 24p in the set-top player and tv? Regardless, an very helpful piece as it is.

February 22nd, 2006, 08:40 PM	#8
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	What, I don't deserve one? :) __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

February 22nd, 2006, 09:31 PM	#9
Peter Wright Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 193	Congratulations David - a great tutorial. I have never worked with 24p before, but I feel like trying now, largely because Vegas, along with your tute, makes it so easy - what differences would apply in PAL land?

February 22nd, 2006, 09:42 PM	#10
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Thanks, Peter -- I appreciate it. In PAL land, you've REALLY got no worries, because PAL cameras like the DVX100AE don't use 24p; they use 25p. That can be edited on a standard PAL timeline. If you want, you can switch the project to progressive, but it's not necessary to edit. So, no pulldown at ALL to worry about 'round your way. Standard procedure if you want to go to 24fps film out from 25p is slow it by 4%. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

February 22nd, 2006, 10:11 PM	#11
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	actually for PAL 25p source output to 24p, u dont have to do ANYTHING.. just create a 24p project, and import your files, Vegas will do the rest... i do alot of this kind of conversions for Corp clients i have in the US and Japan the only real pain is the drop in resolution..

February 23rd, 2006, 06:25 AM	#12
Peter Wright Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 193	I'll actually be shooting with a Z1, so it sounds like I should just shoot normally in 50i.

February 23rd, 2006, 07:12 PM	#15
William Barber Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 32	Great tutorial! I will look out for more of these in the future.