Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Rob Lohman · October 9th, 2003, 05:05 AM

Personally I'd swap 2 & 3 if you are talking the SYSTEM bus here
(not IDE bus like UATA 133 etc.). Faster CPU is the main thing
indeed for faster rendering times and more responsive environment.

Rob Lohman · October 9th, 2003, 05:31 AM

VCD is quite good for those things indeed Don! I must say I have
a bit better track record with SVCD. Although I haven't send out
lots of discs to different people I have tested my last movie on
at least 5 players with no problems at all (one player is known
to have problems with some SVCD's). Most have the players
DID require me to hit the PLAY button explicitly for some reason.
(when you insert a DVD it plays it automatically).

Most players recognized the disc by showing SVCD on the screen
and then just waiting for me hitting play. Weird.

Also with a VCD or SVCD you can add menu's. I've never tried
this myself though.

Glen Elliott · October 9th, 2003, 07:00 AM

Then I probably should have encoded to AC-3 from the start. I specifically chose WAV beings the program (even at 7mb/s) isn't in danger of filling the DVD.

Edward Troxel · October 9th, 2003, 07:06 AM

If you gave it a WAV file and you told it to use PCM audio then I'm sure the audio was not encoded. However, it does take time to build the VOB files and any other background things. I think you are fine.

Edward Troxel · October 9th, 2003, 07:17 AM

I wasn't trying to put them into any particular order - just listed them as I thought of them.

Here is a comparison: I have a desktop PIII 750MHz with 256 Meg RAM and 7200 RPM drive and a laptop PIV 2.8GHz with 1Gig RAM and 5400 RPM drive. I honestly don't know the bus speeds but imagine the laptop is faster. I also have a weekly program I edit that is very consistent from week to week.

Doing a PTT of this project on the desktop takes about 50 - 55 minutes in rendering time before the countdown screen. The PTT on the laptop took 15 - 20 minutes for the same task. This was expected.

However, if you do a full Render AS of the hour long project the timings get more interesting. The desktop unit will get done FASTER than the laptop because all of the unedited areas must be copied (which is the majority of the program) and the desktop unit does that MUCH faster.

Moral of the story? It's a combination of things that determines the final rendering speed to take all things into consideration. However, RAM is minimal in this equation.

Glen Elliott · October 9th, 2003, 07:21 AM

I've been watching alot of peoples wedding videography work and there is one transition that I really like and believe it is on the FCP platform. It's like a blur/dislove/morph. Clip A blurs out and, for lack of better description, "morphs" into a blurred clip B then comes back into focus. Does Vegas have anything to simulate this effect other than manually setting keyframes to a guassian blur? What about the morph part- I'm assuming it can't do that.

Edward Troxel · October 9th, 2003, 08:23 AM

Actually, if you want TRUE morphing check out WinMorph at http://www.debugmode.com. Satish has WinMorph, Plug-n-pac, and Frameserver available for Vegas.

However, if you look on the transitions tab, click on Cross Effect, what about the Cross Blur A/B transition?

Rob Lohman · October 9th, 2003, 10:52 AM

I see your point Edward.... CPU & harddisk then. <g>

Brad Higerd · October 9th, 2003, 02:17 PM

Has anyone looked into Bella’s DV Keyboard with the Vegas sticker set?

Glenn Chan · October 9th, 2003, 04:15 PM

If you setup an autorun.ini file on your VCD then you can get it to automatically play with Windows Media Player on win95 systems and up. Search dvdrhelp.com on how to do this.

VCD is probably the most compatible.

Paul Doss · October 9th, 2003, 10:00 PM

When you render to a new track, and use that avi, instead of the original material, does it lose quality when the whole project is rendered out?

Edward Troxel · October 10th, 2003, 07:50 AM

No

Glen Elliott · October 10th, 2003, 08:08 AM

See I really should do more research before I start blurting out questions- thanks again Edward! Going to check it out today as soon as I get off from work. TGIF!

Imran Zaidi · October 10th, 2003, 11:26 AM

As long as the rendering was done at full quality right? You don't want to use a medium quality render as your source.

Paul Doss · October 10th, 2003, 11:42 AM

Thanks guys. I didn't think so but wanted to be sure.

October 9th, 2003, 05:05 AM	#1291
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Personally I'd swap 2 & 3 if you are talking the SYSTEM bus here (not IDE bus like UATA 133 etc.). Faster CPU is the main thing indeed for faster rendering times and more responsive environment. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 9th, 2003, 05:31 AM	#1292
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	VCD is quite good for those things indeed Don! I must say I have a bit better track record with SVCD. Although I haven't send out lots of discs to different people I have tested my last movie on at least 5 players with no problems at all (one player is known to have problems with some SVCD's). Most have the players DID require me to hit the PLAY button explicitly for some reason. (when you insert a DVD it plays it automatically). Most players recognized the disc by showing SVCD on the screen and then just waiting for me hitting play. Weird. Also with a VCD or SVCD you can add menu's. I've never tried this myself though. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 9th, 2003, 07:21 AM	#1296
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Transition effect I'm looking for.... I've been watching alot of peoples wedding videography work and there is one transition that I really like and believe it is on the FCP platform. It's like a blur/dislove/morph. Clip A blurs out and, for lack of better description, "morphs" into a blurred clip B then comes back into focus. Does Vegas have anything to simulate this effect other than manually setting keyframes to a guassian blur? What about the morph part- I'm assuming it can't do that.

October 9th, 2003, 10:52 AM	#1298
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I see your point Edward.... CPU & harddisk then. <g> __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 9th, 2003, 02:17 PM	#1299
Brad Higerd Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 186	Bella's DV Keyboard with Toggle Control Has anyone looked into Bella’s DV Keyboard with the Vegas sticker set?

October 9th, 2003, 07:00 AM	#1293
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Then I probably should have encoded to AC-3 from the start. I specifically chose WAV beings the program (even at 7mb/s) isn't in danger of filling the DVD.

October 9th, 2003, 07:06 AM	#1294
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If you gave it a WAV file and you told it to use PCM audio then I'm sure the audio was not encoded. However, it does take time to build the VOB files and any other background things. I think you are fine.

October 9th, 2003, 07:17 AM	#1295
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I wasn't trying to put them into any particular order - just listed them as I thought of them. Here is a comparison: I have a desktop PIII 750MHz with 256 Meg RAM and 7200 RPM drive and a laptop PIV 2.8GHz with 1Gig RAM and 5400 RPM drive. I honestly don't know the bus speeds but imagine the laptop is faster. I also have a weekly program I edit that is very consistent from week to week. Doing a PTT of this project on the desktop takes about 50 - 55 minutes in rendering time before the countdown screen. The PTT on the laptop took 15 - 20 minutes for the same task. This was expected. However, if you do a full Render AS of the hour long project the timings get more interesting. The desktop unit will get done FASTER than the laptop because all of the unedited areas must be copied (which is the majority of the program) and the desktop unit does that MUCH faster. Moral of the story? It's a combination of things that determines the final rendering speed to take all things into consideration. However, RAM is minimal in this equation.

October 9th, 2003, 08:23 AM	#1297
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Actually, if you want TRUE morphing check out WinMorph at http://www.debugmode.com. Satish has WinMorph, Plug-n-pac, and Frameserver available for Vegas. However, if you look on the transitions tab, click on Cross Effect, what about the Cross Blur A/B transition?

October 9th, 2003, 04:15 PM	#1300
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	If you setup an autorun.ini file on your VCD then you can get it to automatically play with Windows Media Player on win95 systems and up. Search dvdrhelp.com on how to do this. VCD is probably the most compatible.

October 9th, 2003, 10:00 PM	#1301
Paul Doss Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Gulf Shores, Alabama Posts: 57	Compression question? When you render to a new track, and use that avi, instead of the original material, does it lose quality when the whole project is rendered out?

October 10th, 2003, 07:50 AM	#1302
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	No

October 10th, 2003, 08:08 AM	#1303
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	See I really should do more research before I start blurting out questions- thanks again Edward! Going to check it out today as soon as I get off from work. TGIF!

October 10th, 2003, 11:26 AM	#1304
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	As long as the rendering was done at full quality right? You don't want to use a medium quality render as your source.

October 10th, 2003, 11:42 AM	#1305
Paul Doss Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Gulf Shores, Alabama Posts: 57	Thanks guys. I didn't think so but wanted to be sure.