Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2003, 08:07 AM

I'm not sure if you can add reverb while recording. Perhaps you
need to look into an audio application. Anyway, it might be good
to ask this question in Sonic Foundry's excellent forum (under
Vegas - Audio):

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/default.asp

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2003, 08:13 AM

Nero 6

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2003, 09:19 AM

Why are you exporting with lower field first? If you do that Vegas
will add some weird form of interlacing to your footage. Since you
got it from 8mm it is progressive (you need to select none for
interlacing!!!) instead of interlaced.

Those are definitely not interlacing problems though. It almost
looks like you applied some funny filter or something. Are you
sure the footage is okay originally? I can't imagine how a DVD
application or player could cause such defects.

Edward Troxel · September 9th, 2003, 09:24 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Why are you exporting with lower field first? -->>>

Because standard DV and MPEG2 for TV is lower field first. Why WOULDN'T you render to lower field first?

Andre Viol · September 9th, 2003, 09:31 AM

I have a movie, that's encoded in DivX format, and Vegas cannot open it, it doesn't recognize the format. If I try to open the movie using Windows Movie Maker, I can. Obviously that if I try to watch the movie, I also can because I have the divX codec - pro version - installed. If I try to encode some footage using Vegas and the DivX codec, I also can (so although Vegas cannot read DivX, it can write DivX!!).
Can someone tell me why Vegas cannot open a DivX encoded file and, if possible, how to fix it?

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2003, 09:39 AM

Because the source isn't interlace (in this case). As you know the
DV format doesn't care whether the signal is interlaced or not. If
I export a progressive stream from my XL1s in Vegas with lower
field first it somehow adds interlacing back into the game which it
doesn't do when I set it to none. I was only talking regarding the
DV export, not the MPEG2 compression...

Anyways, you must agree with me that the image problem isn't
interlacing, that much is certain

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2003, 09:45 AM

You might want to look into frameserving the file from Virtualdub
or frameserving it from Avisynth

Peter Jefferson · September 9th, 2003, 09:45 AM

no, you can't during recording, unless the input is being fed through a bus within your card and your running effects on your soundcard (Creative cards can do this)

on the other hand i would STRONGLY suggest you record your audio raw and add effects in post.

reason being is that if your reverb config isn't right first time, your stuck with a substandard master recording which can't be fixed and wont "fit" with the rest of the ambience of the room.

to flatten vocal, i would suggest a few plugins such as the Beatmodel set (incredible chorus and reverb), the TCNative set, another great analogue sounding reverb unit, timeworks set and the Hyperprism set.

i'd also suggest something like the Antares Microphone Modeller which can literally convert the characteristics of a recording from an old cheap sounding mic to something alot more professional.

Again i can't stress how much i would stray against recording live recordings with effects (unless its a live recording of a performance)

Peter Jefferson · September 9th, 2003, 09:47 AM

Dude check out Spicemaster ;)

does it all

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2003, 09:52 AM

Might it be something simple like the FOURCC code isn't the right
one? There are utilities around that can change that code so it
is recognised as standard DV. Let me know if you still have this
problem.

Glen Elliott · September 9th, 2003, 10:26 AM

Already picked up a copy- works great! Thanks for the heads up!

Edward Troxel · September 9th, 2003, 10:30 AM

No, it certainly does NOT look like interlacing.

I can understand not using lower field first if you taped in progressive. However, the standard mode of the XL-1 is lower field first and is what I use for all of my renderings. I'm assuming you tape in frame mode instead?

Edward Troxel · September 9th, 2003, 10:32 AM

Vegas doesn't officially support DivX so it may not work (although some people have had limited success).

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2003, 10:37 AM

That is correct, Edward. I shoot in frame mode. I'm talking
progressive here since I'm assuming a transfer from 8mm isn't
interlaced (I hope).

Edward Troxel · September 9th, 2003, 10:39 AM

Now I understand.

September 9th, 2003, 08:07 AM	#976
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I'm not sure if you can add reverb while recording. Perhaps you need to look into an audio application. Anyway, it might be good to ask this question in Sonic Foundry's excellent forum (under Vegas - Audio): http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/default.asp __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 9th, 2003, 08:13 AM	#977
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Nero 6 __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 9th, 2003, 09:19 AM	#978
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Why are you exporting with lower field first? If you do that Vegas will add some weird form of interlacing to your footage. Since you got it from 8mm it is progressive (you need to select none for interlacing!!!) instead of interlaced. Those are definitely not interlacing problems though. It almost looks like you applied some funny filter or something. Are you sure the footage is okay originally? I can't imagine how a DVD application or player could cause such defects. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 9th, 2003, 09:31 AM	#980
Andre Viol New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cambridge, MA Posts: 18	How to read divX I have a movie, that's encoded in DivX format, and Vegas cannot open it, it doesn't recognize the format. If I try to open the movie using Windows Movie Maker, I can. Obviously that if I try to watch the movie, I also can because I have the divX codec - pro version - installed. If I try to encode some footage using Vegas and the DivX codec, I also can (so although Vegas cannot read DivX, it can write DivX!!). Can someone tell me why Vegas cannot open a DivX encoded file and, if possible, how to fix it?

September 9th, 2003, 09:39 AM	#981
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Because the source isn't interlace (in this case). As you know the DV format doesn't care whether the signal is interlaced or not. If I export a progressive stream from my XL1s in Vegas with lower field first it somehow adds interlacing back into the game which it doesn't do when I set it to none. I was only talking regarding the DV export, not the MPEG2 compression... Anyways, you must agree with me that the image problem isn't interlacing, that much is certain __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 9th, 2003, 09:24 AM	#979
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Why are you exporting with lower field first? -->>> Because standard DV and MPEG2 for TV is lower field first. Why WOULDN'T you render to lower field first?

September 9th, 2003, 09:45 AM	#982
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	You might want to look into frameserving the file from Virtualdub or frameserving it from Avisynth __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 9th, 2003, 09:45 AM	#983
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	no, you can't during recording, unless the input is being fed through a bus within your card and your running effects on your soundcard (Creative cards can do this) on the other hand i would STRONGLY suggest you record your audio raw and add effects in post. reason being is that if your reverb config isn't right first time, your stuck with a substandard master recording which can't be fixed and wont "fit" with the rest of the ambience of the room. to flatten vocal, i would suggest a few plugins such as the Beatmodel set (incredible chorus and reverb), the TCNative set, another great analogue sounding reverb unit, timeworks set and the Hyperprism set. i'd also suggest something like the Antares Microphone Modeller which can literally convert the characteristics of a recording from an old cheap sounding mic to something alot more professional. Again i can't stress how much i would stray against recording live recordings with effects (unless its a live recording of a performance)

September 9th, 2003, 09:47 AM	#984
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Dude check out Spicemaster ;) does it all

September 9th, 2003, 09:52 AM	#985
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Might it be something simple like the FOURCC code isn't the right one? There are utilities around that can change that code so it is recognised as standard DV. Let me know if you still have this problem. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 9th, 2003, 10:26 AM	#986
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Already picked up a copy- works great! Thanks for the heads up!

September 9th, 2003, 10:30 AM	#987
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	No, it certainly does NOT look like interlacing. I can understand not using lower field first if you taped in progressive. However, the standard mode of the XL-1 is lower field first and is what I use for all of my renderings. I'm assuming you tape in frame mode instead?

September 9th, 2003, 10:32 AM	#988
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Vegas doesn't officially support DivX so it may not work (although some people have had limited success).

September 9th, 2003, 10:37 AM	#989
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That is correct, Edward. I shoot in frame mode. I'm talking progressive here since I'm assuming a transfer from 8mm isn't interlaced (I hope). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 9th, 2003, 10:39 AM	#990
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Now I understand.