Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Edward Troxel · September 5th, 2003, 08:35 PM

Never seen a graphic card with a firewire connection. However, that would still require the camera as passthru.

The Canopus card is similar to the external convertor units built into a card.

Carlos Rego · September 5th, 2003, 09:28 PM

Edward

Thans for the tip on the canopus .. do you happen to knwo of somethign liek that with component in/out ?

cheers, and thanks for the tips

Edward Troxel · September 5th, 2003, 10:57 PM

Did you look at that Canopus card? I believe it HAS component in and out.

Jim Quinlan · September 6th, 2003, 05:48 AM

I use the canopus advc-100 (external) and it has in/out analog and digital.

Just make sure it's on a standalone firewirecard in your computer if you're using Vegas. Two of us just went through the mill debugging that problem.

Edward Troxel · September 6th, 2003, 06:03 AM

This canopus card "looks" like a firewire card to the system but accepts an analog signal. Here are the specs I found:

> AVCEDVio PCI card
> FireWire cable (4pin)
> Composite to S-Video conversion cable
> ACEDVio controller software CD-ROM (Windows support only)
> Vegas ® 4.0 (full version – OEM edition)
> User Manual

Digital Video in/out
> 4pin FireWire connector

IEEE 1394 in/out
> 6pin FireWire connector

Analog Video in/out
> S-video and composite combined (7pin miniDIN) input
> S-video and composite combined (7pin miniDIN) output

Analog Audio in/out
> Stereo RCA input
> Stereo RCA output

OHCI specification
> Link layer complies with IEEE 1394 Open Host Controller Interface specification release 1.1
> Physical layer complies with IEEE 1394a-2000 (Data rate: 100/200/400Mbps)
> Modular 32-bit host interface complies with PCI Specification release 2.2

G. Randy Brown · September 6th, 2003, 06:33 AM

I hate to drag this back up guys but I'm at my wits end (it frustrated a client yesterday almost as much as it frustrates me); after searching and reading threads here I was really hoping that I just had a funky firewire card but my new one gives the exact same results. If I slide the "sync offset" (under preferences / video device) all the way up to 12 frames I still get some latency in my monitor. Please, what the heck should I try next?
TIA,
Randy

Jeff Donald · September 6th, 2003, 07:14 AM

What do you mean by monitor latency?

G. Randy Brown · September 6th, 2003, 07:14 AM

I also shoot in the Canon frame mode (XL1S) frequently and have a question regarding your suggestion: To "Make sure your project is set to progressive and you output as
progressive..." do I just do the following 2 steps:
1) file/project properties/video/field order = none
2)right-click all clips/properties/media/field order = none
TIA,
Randy

G. Randy Brown · September 6th, 2003, 07:27 AM

Thanks for your interest Jeff,
I mean with the default setting of 4 in preferences/video device/sync offset my external monitor is close to a full second behind the audio. If I shove it all the way up to 12 it's not as bad but still a little behind. The firewire card is on it's own IRQ and my PC is plenty fast (P4 3.06, 800mhz bus). I have a feeling I have something set wrong because it worked fine on the default on a slower PC I have. On another forum someone suspects my dual video card, an NVIDIA Ge Force4 MX440, sharing an IRQ with Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller 24D2 <i>AND</i> 24DE but I haven't heard back from them yet.
Thanks again Jeff,
Randy

Jeff Donald · September 6th, 2003, 07:35 AM

How much ram and what OS?

Darrell Sullivan · September 6th, 2003, 07:49 AM

Randy,

Are you storing your footage on the same drive as your operating system? I have experienced problems with playback through the firewire when I was reading footage off of my OS drive because of mistakenly saving it there.

G. Randy Brown · September 6th, 2003, 07:54 AM

Thanks guys,
>How much ram and what OS?<
1GB, XP home

>Are you storing your footage on the same drive as your operating system? <
No sir, I have a separate drive
Thanks again,
Randy

Edward Troxel · September 6th, 2003, 07:55 AM

Randy, there is a way to get higher values than 12 but it involves editing the registry (not generally recommended unless you really know what you are doing). However, you SHOULDN'T need that high a value which indicates SOMETHING may be wrong.

IF you wish to risk it, for full details see here:

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/S...ssageID=116237

(but don't blame ME if something goes wrong)

G. Randy Brown · September 6th, 2003, 08:02 AM

Thanks Edward but I feel something is definitely wrong since it seems to be a rather unique problem (according to my searches here and at another forum) and I do have a rather fast system ( and I'll be paying for it for a while, so it would be nice if the damned thing worked better than my old one : )
Thanks again Edward,
Randy
Hey I just realized I'm no longer a new boot...I'm a full fledged regular crew...finally...woo-hoooo!

Jeff Donald · September 6th, 2003, 09:09 AM

When you get past 25 posts, you go up one notch. Congratulations.

You should have enough ram. You have only one item hooked up to the FireWire card? Do you have another video card to swap with your present one? If you do, you can test your video card theory.

September 5th, 2003, 09:28 PM	#947
Carlos Rego Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mulberry Posts: 37	Edward Thans for the tip on the canopus .. do you happen to knwo of somethign liek that with component in/out ? cheers, and thanks for the tips __________________ PD150

September 6th, 2003, 05:48 AM	#949
Jim Quinlan Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 177	I use the canopus advc-100 (external) and it has in/out analog and digital. Just make sure it's on a standalone firewirecard in your computer if you're using Vegas. Two of us just went through the mill debugging that problem. __________________ Jim

September 6th, 2003, 06:33 AM	#951
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	New firewire card doesn't resolve video latency with external monitor I hate to drag this back up guys but I'm at my wits end (it frustrated a client yesterday almost as much as it frustrates me); after searching and reading threads here I was really hoping that I just had a funky firewire card but my new one gives the exact same results. If I slide the "sync offset" (under preferences / video device) all the way up to 12 frames I still get some latency in my monitor. Please, what the heck should I try next? TIA, Randy

September 6th, 2003, 07:14 AM	#952
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	What do you mean by monitor latency? __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 6th, 2003, 07:14 AM	#953
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Hey Rob I also shoot in the Canon frame mode (XL1S) frequently and have a question regarding your suggestion: To "Make sure your project is set to progressive and you output as progressive..." do I just do the following 2 steps: 1) file/project properties/video/field order = none 2)right-click all clips/properties/media/field order = none TIA, Randy

September 5th, 2003, 08:35 PM	#946
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Never seen a graphic card with a firewire connection. However, that would still require the camera as passthru. The Canopus card is similar to the external convertor units built into a card.

September 5th, 2003, 10:57 PM	#948
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Did you look at that Canopus card? I believe it HAS component in and out.

September 6th, 2003, 06:03 AM	#950
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	This canopus card "looks" like a firewire card to the system but accepts an analog signal. Here are the specs I found: > AVCEDVio PCI card > FireWire cable (4pin) > Composite to S-Video conversion cable > ACEDVio controller software CD-ROM (Windows support only) > Vegas ® 4.0 (full version – OEM edition) > User Manual Digital Video in/out > 4pin FireWire connector IEEE 1394 in/out > 6pin FireWire connector Analog Video in/out > S-video and composite combined (7pin miniDIN) input > S-video and composite combined (7pin miniDIN) output Analog Audio in/out > Stereo RCA input > Stereo RCA output OHCI specification > Link layer complies with IEEE 1394 Open Host Controller Interface specification release 1.1 > Physical layer complies with IEEE 1394a-2000 (Data rate: 100/200/400Mbps) > Modular 32-bit host interface complies with PCI Specification release 2.2

September 6th, 2003, 07:27 AM	#954
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Thanks for your interest Jeff, I mean with the default setting of 4 in preferences/video device/sync offset my external monitor is close to a full second behind the audio. If I shove it all the way up to 12 it's not as bad but still a little behind. The firewire card is on it's own IRQ and my PC is plenty fast (P4 3.06, 800mhz bus). I have a feeling I have something set wrong because it worked fine on the default on a slower PC I have. On another forum someone suspects my dual video card, an NVIDIA Ge Force4 MX440, sharing an IRQ with Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller 24D2 <i>AND</i> 24DE but I haven't heard back from them yet. Thanks again Jeff, Randy

September 6th, 2003, 07:35 AM	#955
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	How much ram and what OS? __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 6th, 2003, 07:49 AM	#956
Darrell Sullivan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 42	Randy, Are you storing your footage on the same drive as your operating system? I have experienced problems with playback through the firewire when I was reading footage off of my OS drive because of mistakenly saving it there.

September 6th, 2003, 07:54 AM	#957
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Thanks guys, >How much ram and what OS?< 1GB, XP home >Are you storing your footage on the same drive as your operating system? < No sir, I have a separate drive Thanks again, Randy

September 6th, 2003, 07:55 AM	#958
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Randy, there is a way to get higher values than 12 but it involves editing the registry (not generally recommended unless you really know what you are doing). However, you SHOULDN'T need that high a value which indicates SOMETHING may be wrong. IF you wish to risk it, for full details see here: http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/S...ssageID=116237 (but don't blame ME if something goes wrong)

September 6th, 2003, 08:02 AM	#959
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Thanks Edward but I feel something is definitely wrong since it seems to be a rather unique problem (according to my searches here and at another forum) and I do have a rather fast system ( and I'll be paying for it for a while, so it would be nice if the damned thing worked better than my old one : ) Thanks again Edward, Randy Hey I just realized I'm no longer a new boot...I'm a full fledged regular crew...finally...woo-hoooo!

September 6th, 2003, 09:09 AM	#960
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	When you get past 25 posts, you go up one notch. Congratulations. You should have enough ram. You have only one item hooked up to the FireWire card? Do you have another video card to swap with your present one? If you do, you can test your video card theory. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors