Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Peter Moore · September 4th, 2003, 08:46 AM

Yes.

so wait, the new Canon-JVC HD format calls for 25p???? this is not Europe! Where is 24p?

Don Parrish · September 4th, 2003, 11:07 AM

How can one edit HD if they can't capture it??

Glen Elliott · September 4th, 2003, 11:24 AM

I'm noticing what best can be described as video shearing in my preview window in Vegas during pans. Can LCD displays cause this? I know they can cause ghosting/blurring from slower pixel response times but is image artifacting/shearing a possiblility as well. Oddly enough I don't notice any ghosting during fast applications like games, etc probably due to the fact my display boasts a 16ms pixel response and is actually marketed towards gamers. Yet I still see this odd shearing during footage of slow continuous movement (ie durning slow to medium paced pans). Does anyone have any insight into this?

Glen Elliott · September 4th, 2003, 11:28 AM

....by use of a 3rd party capture application like Sceenalizer. I think Sceenalizer can capture HD, someone who has experience with this product might know for sure.

Edward Troxel · September 4th, 2003, 12:58 PM

Capturing and printing HD will require a separate application and the necessary hardware to sustain that datarate. Once captured, Vegas can edit it. However, you will have to use the third party hardware/software combination to get it back out of the computer.

Scenalyzer will not do HD (as far as I know).

Don Parrish · September 4th, 2003, 06:01 PM

I did get a reply from sonic, they basically stated the same thing,

"Thanks for writing. You will have to capture with a different program and then do your editing in Vegas 4.0. Vegas 4.0 can only capture from firewire and firewire doesn't capture HD."

So what kind of output would a new HD camera have that could sustain the data rate? (I am not sure what next generation of firewire plans for data rate). What kind of computer hardware would accept it? Eide, raid? usb 2.0 isn't that much better than the present firewire.

Phil Goble · September 4th, 2003, 07:24 PM

I had no problem picking up Vegas after a day and created my first simple project with no problem. Built my simple menus in DVD Architect (version 1.c) and attempted to burn them to DVD on my Pioneer drive (with has the latest firmware). I can't seem to reliably burn DVD-R discs, although I can create DVD-RW discs.

While I would prefer to use DVDA to burn my DVD's, I purchased Nero hoping it would do the job. I get the "reallocation" errors described in the Sonic Foundry forum. I ignored the warning and successfully burned a DVD but it will only play in the PC, not my home players. I also tried to burn a DVD-ROM(UDF) and DVD-ROM(UDF/ISO) and got DVD's that read in my PC but won't play in home players (Nero warns you they won't work).

Am I using the wrong Nero options? What do I need to do to create compliant files from DVDA for Nero? Is there some secret to getting DVDA to work (I have a call into support and have posted this elsewhere).

I am considering going back to PrimoDVD (that came with the drive), but I have to admit I couldn't figure out exactly what options to use in that product (I am concerned I don't have the version necessary and would need to use the MyDVD that came bundled with the Pioneer).

Suggestions would be appreciated.

Gints Klimanis · September 4th, 2003, 07:59 PM

If you can make DVD-RW but not DVD-R, try different media.

For my Pioneer A04, I like TDK DVD-R 2x and Ritek DVD-R 4x (although I can only burn at 2x). For DVD-RW, I like Maxell 1x and
Ritek .

Phil Goble · September 4th, 2003, 08:39 PM

I am using the TDK DVD-R 2x media, because my research indicated it was a good product compatible on many players. I don't think it is a media problem, rather a problem with the DVD-Architect software.

In terms of using output from DVD-Architect to Nero, I don't know why Nero doesn't like DVD-Architect files.

Thanks for the reply.

Edward Troxel · September 4th, 2003, 10:35 PM

Are you using the latest version of Nero? Earlier versions had limited compatibility and still earlier versions had NO compatibility.

Peter Jefferson · September 5th, 2003, 04:49 AM

I'm considering using Pinnacle Impression. It also supports ac3 files and seems to be worthy of serious consideration.

On top of that it doesnt have issues with media or burning.

certain things to note with Architect is

1) It doesn't like apps which access drives while its doing its thing. This is hard when using multiple drives for media.

2) Multitasking while architect does its thing is non existent.. may as well leave it and go to bed and hope for the best

3) "Supported" drives dont make a difference to media used, as i use an A05/105 with the latest firmware and have tried 6 different disc types from different manufactures.
At the moment the ONLY workaround to all this is to burn a master to RW, test in on a RW compatible player like a PS2 (NOT PC) then use that master to burn clones using Nero or Prassi.

The reason Nero doesnt like Architect files is that Architect and nero run 2 different disc file systems.

Im now looking at my Impression CD, thinking whether or not to install it... i probably will and write off Architect as a cheap cash in on the DVD medium.

It's sad as i like being able to import markers and use them as chapter points. it saves alot of time. I also like being able to convert files in the Authoring app if i need to.. but in the end, if it ain't gonna burn my disc, i'm not gonna bother with it.
At the moment, i use it coz i have to <have some projects half done> and i use RW as a master, and even THAT is a gamble.

I use my machine for lots of other things and if i can't prepare a DVD and design a cover layout at the same time, theres no point.
PC's these days are designed to multitask. Architect is going backwards in this regard.

This weekend i'm checking out what Impression can do and if it's HALF as stable as Architect, i'll be switching.

Carlos Rego · September 5th, 2003, 08:50 AM

IS there any hardware boards out there that will allow real video preview straight from Vegas (widouth having to use a deck or camera thru ieee) and video output to record to analog decks

cheers

Kris Kalapala · September 5th, 2003, 10:00 AM

Firewire has 2 specs currently.

The 400 Mbps Firewire a and the 800 Mbps Firewire b.
USB 2.0 is 480 Mbps.

Edward Troxel · September 5th, 2003, 02:16 PM

The PROBLEM with trying to bypass the firewire link is that your colors could be off. Graphics cards will not necessarily show the same colors as the firewire connection.

However, you can currently just resize the preview window on a second monitor connection.

Also, check out the Canopus card (I forget the full designation). It is on special by Videoguys for readers of my newsletter. It is listed in issue #10 at http://www.videoguys.com/Vegas_Tips/TTS01-10.pdf

Stephen Sobel · September 5th, 2003, 04:50 PM

If the graphics card has firewire, is that ok?

September 4th, 2003, 11:24 AM	#933
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Video shearing in preview window of NLE on my LCD I'm noticing what best can be described as video shearing in my preview window in Vegas during pans. Can LCD displays cause this? I know they can cause ghosting/blurring from slower pixel response times but is image artifacting/shearing a possiblility as well. Oddly enough I don't notice any ghosting during fast applications like games, etc probably due to the fact my display boasts a 16ms pixel response and is actually marketed towards gamers. Yet I still see this odd shearing during footage of slow continuous movement (ie durning slow to medium paced pans). Does anyone have any insight into this?

September 4th, 2003, 07:24 PM	#937
Phil Goble Tourist Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4	Using Nero to Burn DVD Architect files (or getting DVDA to work) I had no problem picking up Vegas after a day and created my first simple project with no problem. Built my simple menus in DVD Architect (version 1.c) and attempted to burn them to DVD on my Pioneer drive (with has the latest firmware). I can't seem to reliably burn DVD-R discs, although I can create DVD-RW discs. While I would prefer to use DVDA to burn my DVD's, I purchased Nero hoping it would do the job. I get the "reallocation" errors described in the Sonic Foundry forum. I ignored the warning and successfully burned a DVD but it will only play in the PC, not my home players. I also tried to burn a DVD-ROM(UDF) and DVD-ROM(UDF/ISO) and got DVD's that read in my PC but won't play in home players (Nero warns you they won't work). Am I using the wrong Nero options? What do I need to do to create compliant files from DVDA for Nero? Is there some secret to getting DVDA to work (I have a call into support and have posted this elsewhere). I am considering going back to PrimoDVD (that came with the drive), but I have to admit I couldn't figure out exactly what options to use in that product (I am concerned I don't have the version necessary and would need to use the MyDVD that came bundled with the Pioneer). Suggestions would be appreciated.

September 5th, 2003, 08:50 AM	#942
Carlos Rego Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mulberry Posts: 37	Any capture hardware compatible with Vegas ? IS there any hardware boards out there that will allow real video preview straight from Vegas (widouth having to use a deck or camera thru ieee) and video output to record to analog decks cheers __________________ PD150

September 5th, 2003, 10:00 AM	#943
Kris Kalapala New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 15	Firewire vs USB 2.0 Firewire has 2 specs currently. The 400 Mbps Firewire a and the 800 Mbps Firewire b. USB 2.0 is 480 Mbps.

September 4th, 2003, 08:46 AM	#931
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Yes. so wait, the new Canon-JVC HD format calls for 25p???? this is not Europe! Where is 24p?

September 4th, 2003, 11:07 AM	#932
Don Parrish Major Player Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tavares Fla Posts: 541	How can one edit HD if they can't capture it??

September 4th, 2003, 11:28 AM	#934
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	....by use of a 3rd party capture application like Sceenalizer. I think Sceenalizer can capture HD, someone who has experience with this product might know for sure.

September 4th, 2003, 12:58 PM	#935
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Capturing and printing HD will require a separate application and the necessary hardware to sustain that datarate. Once captured, Vegas can edit it. However, you will have to use the third party hardware/software combination to get it back out of the computer. Scenalyzer will not do HD (as far as I know).

September 4th, 2003, 06:01 PM	#936
Don Parrish Major Player Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tavares Fla Posts: 541	I did get a reply from sonic, they basically stated the same thing, "Thanks for writing. You will have to capture with a different program and then do your editing in Vegas 4.0. Vegas 4.0 can only capture from firewire and firewire doesn't capture HD." So what kind of output would a new HD camera have that could sustain the data rate? (I am not sure what next generation of firewire plans for data rate). What kind of computer hardware would accept it? Eide, raid? usb 2.0 isn't that much better than the present firewire.

September 4th, 2003, 07:59 PM	#938
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	If you can make DVD-RW but not DVD-R, try different media. For my Pioneer A04, I like TDK DVD-R 2x and Ritek DVD-R 4x (although I can only burn at 2x). For DVD-RW, I like Maxell 1x and Ritek .

September 4th, 2003, 08:39 PM	#939
Phil Goble Tourist Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4	I am using the TDK DVD-R 2x media, because my research indicated it was a good product compatible on many players. I don't think it is a media problem, rather a problem with the DVD-Architect software. In terms of using output from DVD-Architect to Nero, I don't know why Nero doesn't like DVD-Architect files. Thanks for the reply.

September 4th, 2003, 10:35 PM	#940
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Are you using the latest version of Nero? Earlier versions had limited compatibility and still earlier versions had NO compatibility.

September 5th, 2003, 04:49 AM	#941
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	I'm considering using Pinnacle Impression. It also supports ac3 files and seems to be worthy of serious consideration. On top of that it doesnt have issues with media or burning. certain things to note with Architect is 1) It doesn't like apps which access drives while its doing its thing. This is hard when using multiple drives for media. 2) Multitasking while architect does its thing is non existent.. may as well leave it and go to bed and hope for the best 3) "Supported" drives dont make a difference to media used, as i use an A05/105 with the latest firmware and have tried 6 different disc types from different manufactures. At the moment the ONLY workaround to all this is to burn a master to RW, test in on a RW compatible player like a PS2 (NOT PC) then use that master to burn clones using Nero or Prassi. The reason Nero doesnt like Architect files is that Architect and nero run 2 different disc file systems. Im now looking at my Impression CD, thinking whether or not to install it... i probably will and write off Architect as a cheap cash in on the DVD medium. It's sad as i like being able to import markers and use them as chapter points. it saves alot of time. I also like being able to convert files in the Authoring app if i need to.. but in the end, if it ain't gonna burn my disc, i'm not gonna bother with it. At the moment, i use it coz i have to <have some projects half done> and i use RW as a master, and even THAT is a gamble. I use my machine for lots of other things and if i can't prepare a DVD and design a cover layout at the same time, theres no point. PC's these days are designed to multitask. Architect is going backwards in this regard. This weekend i'm checking out what Impression can do and if it's HALF as stable as Architect, i'll be switching.

September 5th, 2003, 02:16 PM	#944
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The PROBLEM with trying to bypass the firewire link is that your colors could be off. Graphics cards will not necessarily show the same colors as the firewire connection. However, you can currently just resize the preview window on a second monitor connection. Also, check out the Canopus card (I forget the full designation). It is on special by Videoguys for readers of my newsletter. It is listed in issue #10 at http://www.videoguys.com/Vegas_Tips/TTS01-10.pdf

September 5th, 2003, 04:50 PM	#945
Stephen Sobel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 408	If the graphics card has firewire, is that ok?