Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Andreas Fernbrant · August 31st, 2003, 08:26 AM

Feel free to move this to the correct forum.

I've done a music video and when I try to render it out
in interlaced mode with Vegas this happends (see file)

When I render in deinterlace it stops. I can't really tell
what's wrong. I've tried almost every thing I can think of
but nothing hepls exept deinterlace it.

Perhaps someone out there have had the same problem?
(oh, and changeing upper/lower feild order does not help)

http://www.atamashi.com/glorious/hard.avi

Peter Moore · August 31st, 2003, 12:42 PM

If you could post a few stills that would be more helpful - I for one can't download 20 MB right now.

But 99% of the time what people think are interlacing problems actually disappear when played on a normal TV set, so try that to be sure there's a real problem.

Andreas Fernbrant · August 31st, 2003, 01:35 PM

I've tried that. Looked the same.
Well, I cant post stills because it's a motion problem.
You have to see a movie clip to understand the problem.

Mike Rehmus · August 31st, 2003, 01:51 PM

If it is an interlace problem, a few stills should show the problem. Do you have a field order choice in Vegas? If so, swap the order and see what happens.

Peter Jefferson · September 1st, 2003, 05:58 AM

err... one thing to remember is that if u use an interlaced method, then render in anythign LESS than "best" artifacts WILL be noticable,
Im not about to downlaod 20mb, but if this is the issue (interlacing) there are many ways around the issue

G. Randy Brown · September 1st, 2003, 10:26 AM

Thanks very much Jim, you've given me hope. I have a similar setup as you and I'm getting an error when capturing; however my error doesn't show up until after stopping (very frustrating when I'm trying to capture a full tape!). I started 2 threads on the SoFo site; one about the above and one about latency in my external monitor,but both seeming to be a firewire issue. I'll try your remedy and report back.
Thanks again Jim,
Randy
BTW, I wonder if having an additional firewire card or 2 (as opposed to using one 3 port card) would allow us to use the 3 devices concurrently...just a thought (or shot in the dark)

Jim Quinlan · September 1st, 2003, 10:29 AM

The error after stopping also happened to me just FYI.

G. Randy Brown · September 1st, 2003, 10:39 AM

Well that's very encouraging then; I've got a bunch of different capturing to do tomorrow, I'll unplug everything but my capture device and keep my fingers crossed. BTW Jim, I edited my post (before reading your latest, just in case you missed it) and wondering if 2 or 3, 1-port firewire cards (as opposed to one 3-port cards would save us from having to plug/unplug everything. I should also mention that I never had this problem on my old PC which reinforces my suspicions of the firewire card.
Randy

Jim Quinlan · September 1st, 2003, 11:15 AM

Randy,

The results of my last capture test (3 seconds ago) confirm that it's the canopus DV / Analog converter that's the bad guy for sure. I left my Firewire hard drive on and it didn't interfere with the capture process.

I now own 2 firewire cards from all this trial and error and they're both good so maybe I'll try that suggestion of yours to put them both in the computer and see if I still have conflicts.

Jim

G. Randy Brown · September 1st, 2003, 12:44 PM

Please let me know how it works out Jim.
Thanks,
Randy

Jim Quinlan · September 1st, 2003, 03:33 PM

Randy,

Your theory proved correct.

I installed the second 1394 card and attached the canopus DV/Analog converter to that. Capture worked just fine when my camera was attached to the other 1394 card ! I even powered on the Canapus and capture still worked flawlessly.

Mystery solved. I guess I'll keep both 1394 cards and run the setup as it sits.

G. Randy Brown · September 1st, 2003, 04:10 PM

Great...I'm off to buy a new (1 or 2 port) firewire card!
I'm hoping this also has something to do with my external monitor latency.
Randy

Tor Salomonsen · September 2nd, 2003, 02:18 AM

The IMPROPER way is to Ctrl-drag the edge of the scrolling media to the desired length. It's faster and seems to work well. It may make the render time a bit longer, and if you get flicker or anything like that you should probably stick to the PROPER method.

Tor Salomonsen · September 2nd, 2003, 03:08 AM

I did a test for you (I don't normally use credit rolls much) I put one proper and one improper credit roll alongside each other (using track motion squeeze) and rendered to PAL DV. The scroll was 40 seconds and .250 playback respectively. No difference in rendering quality was discovered.
The default font even looked so good after the squeeze that I would recommend using it like that.

Edward Troxel · September 2nd, 2003, 07:10 AM

Of course, if you need to go lower than .25, you either have to, once again, do it the "correct" way OR apply a velocity envelope. Since you have to have the screen open to enter the text anyway, I've found it just as easy to type in the correct number to begin with.

It WOULD be nice is there was an option for the number to match "the length of the event".

August 31st, 2003, 08:26 AM	#901
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	Why is this happening? Feel free to move this to the correct forum. I've done a music video and when I try to render it out in interlaced mode with Vegas this happends (see file) When I render in deinterlace it stops. I can't really tell what's wrong. I've tried almost every thing I can think of but nothing hepls exept deinterlace it. Perhaps someone out there have had the same problem? (oh, and changeing upper/lower feild order does not help) http://www.atamashi.com/glorious/hard.avi

August 31st, 2003, 01:51 PM	#904
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	If it is an interlace problem, a few stills should show the problem. Do you have a field order choice in Vegas? If so, swap the order and see what happens. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

September 1st, 2003, 10:29 AM	#907
Jim Quinlan Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 177	The error after stopping also happened to me just FYI. __________________ Jim

September 1st, 2003, 11:15 AM	#909
Jim Quinlan Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 177	Randy, The results of my last capture test (3 seconds ago) confirm that it's the canopus DV / Analog converter that's the bad guy for sure. I left my Firewire hard drive on and it didn't interfere with the capture process. I now own 2 firewire cards from all this trial and error and they're both good so maybe I'll try that suggestion of yours to put them both in the computer and see if I still have conflicts. Jim __________________ Jim

September 1st, 2003, 03:33 PM	#911
Jim Quinlan Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 177	Randy, Your theory proved correct. I installed the second 1394 card and attached the canopus DV/Analog converter to that. Capture worked just fine when my camera was attached to the other 1394 card ! I even powered on the Canapus and capture still worked flawlessly. Mystery solved. I guess I'll keep both 1394 cards and run the setup as it sits. __________________ Jim

August 31st, 2003, 12:42 PM	#902
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	If you could post a few stills that would be more helpful - I for one can't download 20 MB right now. But 99% of the time what people think are interlacing problems actually disappear when played on a normal TV set, so try that to be sure there's a real problem.

August 31st, 2003, 01:35 PM	#903
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	I've tried that. Looked the same. Well, I cant post stills because it's a motion problem. You have to see a movie clip to understand the problem.

September 1st, 2003, 05:58 AM	#905
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	err... one thing to remember is that if u use an interlaced method, then render in anythign LESS than "best" artifacts WILL be noticable, Im not about to downlaod 20mb, but if this is the issue (interlacing) there are many ways around the issue

September 1st, 2003, 10:26 AM	#906
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Thanks very much Jim, you've given me hope. I have a similar setup as you and I'm getting an error when capturing; however my error doesn't show up until after stopping (very frustrating when I'm trying to capture a full tape!). I started 2 threads on the SoFo site; one about the above and one about latency in my external monitor,but both seeming to be a firewire issue. I'll try your remedy and report back. Thanks again Jim, Randy BTW, I wonder if having an additional firewire card or 2 (as opposed to using one 3 port card) would allow us to use the 3 devices concurrently...just a thought (or shot in the dark)

September 1st, 2003, 10:39 AM	#908
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Well that's very encouraging then; I've got a bunch of different capturing to do tomorrow, I'll unplug everything but my capture device and keep my fingers crossed. BTW Jim, I edited my post (before reading your latest, just in case you missed it) and wondering if 2 or 3, 1-port firewire cards (as opposed to one 3-port cards would save us from having to plug/unplug everything. I should also mention that I never had this problem on my old PC which reinforces my suspicions of the firewire card. Randy

September 1st, 2003, 12:44 PM	#910
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Please let me know how it works out Jim. Thanks, Randy

September 1st, 2003, 04:10 PM	#912
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Great...I'm off to buy a new (1 or 2 port) firewire card! I'm hoping this also has something to do with my external monitor latency. Randy

September 2nd, 2003, 02:18 AM	#913
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	The IMPROPER way is to Ctrl-drag the edge of the scrolling media to the desired length. It's faster and seems to work well. It may make the render time a bit longer, and if you get flicker or anything like that you should probably stick to the PROPER method.

September 2nd, 2003, 03:08 AM	#914
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	I did a test for you (I don't normally use credit rolls much) I put one proper and one improper credit roll alongside each other (using track motion squeeze) and rendered to PAL DV. The scroll was 40 seconds and .250 playback respectively. No difference in rendering quality was discovered. The default font even looked so good after the squeeze that I would recommend using it like that.

September 2nd, 2003, 07:10 AM	#915
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Of course, if you need to go lower than .25, you either have to, once again, do it the "correct" way OR apply a velocity envelope. Since you have to have the screen open to enter the text anyway, I've found it just as easy to type in the correct number to begin with. It WOULD be nice is there was an option for the number to match "the length of the event".