Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Glen Elliott · August 27th, 2003, 06:19 AM

I don't think it was the drivers for my audigy card that did it- as I switched it to "Direct sound mapper" whatever setting that does. But it was the only one that seemed to cure the audio stutter I was encountering during cuts. The odd thing is the video would go black, like I explained...I don't know how an audio setting could do that but apparently it did! I'll be sure to update as soon as I'm done this current project- is that a little too cautious?

Glen Elliott · August 27th, 2003, 06:22 AM

Peter, the gap (from what I've found is with the audio- not video) and no...it isn't audible.

Edward, reproduction of this oddity is quite easy. Simply drag two clips (that have audio) butt up against each other. Move your curser to the center between the two clips and zooooom alllll the way in as far as you can (even beyond 1:1), then you'll see the audio is shorter than the video but by less than one frame (because zoomed in that close one frame takes up the entire timeline!).

Edward Troxel · August 27th, 2003, 07:14 AM

I used DVDit PE for over a year before DVD Architect came out. Now, I use DVD Architect. Here are some differences:

DVD Architect allows you to have Action Menus and Action Buttons. Also, the menu creation if you want snapshots of your images is easier. Likewise with chapter creation. Plus you don't have to work around the user interface quirks and instability of the program.

However, DVDit PE will allow end actions and much better navigational control. Just no action menus or buttons.

DVD Architect has better previews.

Brad Higerd · August 27th, 2003, 07:19 AM

The softening has been a success. I used Glen's method, and the footage looks much less harsh than the original footage.

Any more advice on the subject is welcome.

Thanks,
Brad

Edward Troxel · August 27th, 2003, 07:21 AM

I don't have any directly captured clips available to test with on this machine. All of the "rendered" clips on the machine do not show this. I'll have to wait to test with some clips from VidCap. I've just not seen this. Of course, I almost always create dissolves anyway.

Peter Jefferson · August 27th, 2003, 07:58 AM

glen, i was referring to the video and audio syncronisation to each other

Peter Jefferson · August 27th, 2003, 08:35 AM

never underestimate the power of effects chains....

alam dv looks incredible.. taking a squiz now, but for the moment, theres nothing like this available for Vegas...

Peter Jefferson · August 27th, 2003, 09:07 AM

Glenn there are alot of factors revolving around audio driver stability.
Depending on your OS and soundcard config and the way it has been configured through the project settings, it's most likely that your crash issue was caused by the audio drivers, or your OS handling of them.

the video would most likely go black due to memory restrictions and GFX card buffer underruns, too many buffer drop outs and you will get a crash.

as for updating, i was getting the same issues during an important wedding i was editing, not only would it crash when rewinding with the "shuttle" tool, (this is a full 5.1 project using 2x3 stereo busses <12 channels of audio direct from DV mp3 and wav> but it would crash when i clicked undo.
I did the update and the baby flies like Sally Field.. :)

it didn't affect my project

One thing to note is the SBlive Audigy cards DO have issues with certain Motherboards and driver configs whle running multiple codecs..
Its been an issue since the first emu10k SPU came out.
My old SBLive on my other machine (when they first came out) still runs fine for audio i can't fault it, but when i try to get vegas to play a jpg on the timeline, the audio cacks itself as its looking for the right audio codec when there is none. Bang, its dead and vegas follows...

the reason vegas is so good as a SW only kit, is due to the way it handles multiple processes and codecs at once (so long as the processes and codecs do not have driver conflicts, hardware conflicts or have corrupted registries...)

your issue could be from a basic need to defrag, or it could a HW issue like an IRQ sharing issue, which Creative gear DON'T like...
Could be lots of things....

Jim Quinlan · August 27th, 2003, 09:12 AM

Interesting.

I had to get rid of my SB Audigy card because it would crash another video editing program I use (Visual Communicator Pro). It would crash and lock up often but only if using windows 2000.

SB Live works just fine for me now.

Don Parrish · August 27th, 2003, 02:30 PM

Thanks ED. Looks like Vegas 4 for me !!

Jim Quinlan · August 27th, 2003, 07:28 PM

This is really starting to frustrate me.

Capturing video in Vegas 4.0d is beginning to wear me down. Maybe I changed a setting or something because for some reason I constantly am getting communication errors and lose contact with the video camera. It's constant. However I can use another video capture program I own (Visual communicator pro) and never have a problem.

I'm using a Panasonic DVX100 with firewire. If anyone has a clue what I may be doing wrong please let me know. I never had this problem before so I'm thinking I may have messed up a setting somewhere.

Under the preferences, video device, there are two selections available. One is OHCI compliant IEEE 1394 and the other is video for windows standard. Using the video for windows standard with Main Concept DV Codec didn't work. Same results with the IEEE 1394.

I'm at the end of my rope and don't know what else to try. I'll see if I have another cable somewhere and try that.

Thanks,

Michael Wisniewski · August 27th, 2003, 09:18 PM

Sony Vegas 90 Day Winner (Quicktime)

Josh Bass · August 27th, 2003, 11:41 PM

Yeah. . .I thought about doing something for that competition, but my laziness took over. I couldn't have competed against that anyway. Very nice!

Peter Jefferson · August 28th, 2003, 04:14 AM

and the irony of it is the Adobe ad right underneath the main feature article.. LOL

Andrew Petrie · August 28th, 2003, 07:33 AM

I love that vid!

August 27th, 2003, 09:12 AM	#879
Jim Quinlan Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 177	Interesting. I had to get rid of my SB Audigy card because it would crash another video editing program I use (Visual Communicator Pro). It would crash and lock up often but only if using windows 2000. SB Live works just fine for me now. __________________ Jim

August 27th, 2003, 07:28 PM	#881
Jim Quinlan Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 177	Communication errors when capturing video in Vegas using DVX100 This is really starting to frustrate me. Capturing video in Vegas 4.0d is beginning to wear me down. Maybe I changed a setting or something because for some reason I constantly am getting communication errors and lose contact with the video camera. It's constant. However I can use another video capture program I own (Visual communicator pro) and never have a problem. I'm using a Panasonic DVX100 with firewire. If anyone has a clue what I may be doing wrong please let me know. I never had this problem before so I'm thinking I may have messed up a setting somewhere. Under the preferences, video device, there are two selections available. One is OHCI compliant IEEE 1394 and the other is video for windows standard. Using the video for windows standard with Main Concept DV Codec didn't work. Same results with the IEEE 1394. I'm at the end of my rope and don't know what else to try. I'll see if I have another cable somewhere and try that. Thanks, __________________ Jim

August 27th, 2003, 09:18 PM	#882
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Sony Vegas 90 Day Winner Sony Vegas 90 Day Winner (Quicktime) __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

August 27th, 2003, 11:41 PM	#883
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Yeah. . .I thought about doing something for that competition, but my laziness took over. I couldn't have competed against that anyway. Very nice! __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

August 28th, 2003, 07:33 AM	#885
Andrew Petrie Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 484	I love that vid! __________________ Andrew \| Canon XL1s, ME66, Vinten Vision 3, GlideCam V16 (for sale!)

August 27th, 2003, 06:19 AM	#871
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	I don't think it was the drivers for my audigy card that did it- as I switched it to "Direct sound mapper" whatever setting that does. But it was the only one that seemed to cure the audio stutter I was encountering during cuts. The odd thing is the video would go black, like I explained...I don't know how an audio setting could do that but apparently it did! I'll be sure to update as soon as I'm done this current project- is that a little too cautious?

August 27th, 2003, 06:22 AM	#872
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Peter, the gap (from what I've found is with the audio- not video) and no...it isn't audible. Edward, reproduction of this oddity is quite easy. Simply drag two clips (that have audio) butt up against each other. Move your curser to the center between the two clips and zooooom alllll the way in as far as you can (even beyond 1:1), then you'll see the audio is shorter than the video but by less than one frame (because zoomed in that close one frame takes up the entire timeline!).

August 27th, 2003, 07:14 AM	#873
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I used DVDit PE for over a year before DVD Architect came out. Now, I use DVD Architect. Here are some differences: DVD Architect allows you to have Action Menus and Action Buttons. Also, the menu creation if you want snapshots of your images is easier. Likewise with chapter creation. Plus you don't have to work around the user interface quirks and instability of the program. However, DVDit PE will allow end actions and much better navigational control. Just no action menus or buttons. DVD Architect has better previews.

August 27th, 2003, 07:19 AM	#874
Brad Higerd Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 186	The softening has been a success. I used Glen's method, and the footage looks much less harsh than the original footage. Any more advice on the subject is welcome. Thanks, Brad

August 27th, 2003, 07:21 AM	#875
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I don't have any directly captured clips available to test with on this machine. All of the "rendered" clips on the machine do not show this. I'll have to wait to test with some clips from VidCap. I've just not seen this. Of course, I almost always create dissolves anyway.

August 27th, 2003, 07:58 AM	#876
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	glen, i was referring to the video and audio syncronisation to each other

August 27th, 2003, 08:35 AM	#877
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	never underestimate the power of effects chains.... alam dv looks incredible.. taking a squiz now, but for the moment, theres nothing like this available for Vegas...

August 27th, 2003, 09:07 AM	#878
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Glenn there are alot of factors revolving around audio driver stability. Depending on your OS and soundcard config and the way it has been configured through the project settings, it's most likely that your crash issue was caused by the audio drivers, or your OS handling of them. the video would most likely go black due to memory restrictions and GFX card buffer underruns, too many buffer drop outs and you will get a crash. as for updating, i was getting the same issues during an important wedding i was editing, not only would it crash when rewinding with the "shuttle" tool, (this is a full 5.1 project using 2x3 stereo busses <12 channels of audio direct from DV mp3 and wav> but it would crash when i clicked undo. I did the update and the baby flies like Sally Field.. :) it didn't affect my project One thing to note is the SBlive Audigy cards DO have issues with certain Motherboards and driver configs whle running multiple codecs.. Its been an issue since the first emu10k SPU came out. My old SBLive on my other machine (when they first came out) still runs fine for audio i can't fault it, but when i try to get vegas to play a jpg on the timeline, the audio cacks itself as its looking for the right audio codec when there is none. Bang, its dead and vegas follows... the reason vegas is so good as a SW only kit, is due to the way it handles multiple processes and codecs at once (so long as the processes and codecs do not have driver conflicts, hardware conflicts or have corrupted registries...) your issue could be from a basic need to defrag, or it could a HW issue like an IRQ sharing issue, which Creative gear DON'T like... Could be lots of things....

August 27th, 2003, 02:30 PM	#880
Don Parrish Major Player Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tavares Fla Posts: 541	Thanks ED. Looks like Vegas 4 for me !!

August 28th, 2003, 04:14 AM	#884
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	and the irony of it is the Adobe ad right underneath the main feature article.. LOL