Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Glen Elliott · August 21st, 2003, 08:04 PM

What's the newest version #?

Dan Measel · August 21st, 2003, 08:16 PM

I had trouble seeing and understanding the ssstuttering tool in Tsunami. Is that a similar effect as the ghosting effect we talked about in a thread last month?

Edward Troxel · August 21st, 2003, 08:37 PM

I will agree that that effect does not show well in the video demo (it looked better on the screen). I still need to update that video and get a better sample of that shot and improve the audio.

Here's the basic premise behind it. Say you have a locked down shot on a tripod and someone walks across the shot. The person would be seen 3 times - kind of like a shadowing trail. It's a really interesting effect.

Look at your mouse when you turn on the "trails". This behaves similarly.

Harry Settle · August 21st, 2003, 08:37 PM

I ran a short test on a clip of a child lighting a candle in a church in the near dark. Slowed it down a bit and applied a little stuttering effect. Beautiful.

Andrew Petrie · August 22nd, 2003, 07:54 AM

Edward, are there plans to enhance or add to the current tsunami offering? If so, will there be upgrades fees, or is a lisence good for any/all future updates?

Edward Troxel · August 22nd, 2003, 08:46 AM

Any updates to Tsunami will be free. If there is a Tsunami II, it will be an entirely different product. As to whether Tsunami will acquire additional features: unknown at this time.

Adam VanScoyoc · August 22nd, 2003, 07:57 PM

Hi all,
I am capturing scenes from an anolog 8mm sony and entering them into Vegas. Some of the more active scenes (like walking across the room with the camera following me) appear to be wavy. I figured this problem would go away after it was rendered so I rendered what I had as an AVI. Playing the AVI back with windows media player showed no signs of the probem, it was nice and clear.
Then I brought the AVI into mydvd (which came with my burner) and burned it onto a dvd-rw. The dvd played in my dvd player, but the darn wavy picture was back. What could be causing this?
I was going to link to a picture on my page, but it is temporarily down. I can email a captured image to anyone who may be interested.

Thanks in advance.
Any help will be greatly appreciated

Adam

Edward Troxel · August 22nd, 2003, 08:11 PM

WHERE are you playing this? It sounds like the interlacing issue. If interlaced video is played on a PC, you can see this. If progressive video is played on a TV, it can also show this.

Render to standard DV-AVI and give that file to MyDVD. Create the DVD and see how it looks on a TV.

Adam VanScoyoc · August 22nd, 2003, 08:35 PM

hi,
I guess I used standard avi.
This is what it said below...

Audio: 48,000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, PCM Uncompressed.
Video: 29.97 fps, 720x480, Lower field first.
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 0.909. OpenDML compatible.
NTSC DV video files compatible with Sonic Foundry Video Capture.

Peter Wright · August 23rd, 2003, 08:32 PM

Edward,

Congratulations on Tsunami - the thing I love about it is that by making long and arduous jobs so simple, it gives us more time to "play" with settings and become more creative. I know many have commented on the Extract Good Clips tool, but the ones I have had most fun with so far are the video wall and PinP.

The fact that you've moved into the Artistic side of script use has I think unlocked a huge potential for creativity.

Anyway - I was wondering ....

An effect sometimes used in TV title sequences is breaking a picture into several separated vertical rectangles, and for those rectangles to vary in width - some getting wider whilst others shrink. Sometimes the rectangles have shadows.

I have achieved a somewhat similar effect by duplicating the same clip several times and applying pan crop, then keyframing sizes.
Track Motion also can be introduced to make the "split" picture smaller within the main frame.

This of course is a long and fiddly process, which made me wonder whether scripts could make things easier in the same way you have with Excalibur and Tsunami

Anyway, I'd certainly be happy to purchase such a tool..

regards

peter

Gerald Lee · August 24th, 2003, 03:16 AM

I was wondering how you could do this. Setting a velocity envelope to 0% would obviously be impossible. I've done it by taking a snapshot of a frame and inserting it, but I get black bars on the sides even though I compensated for 4:3 ratio (720x540 ntsc).

Thanks for any help.

Don Bloom · August 24th, 2003, 06:11 AM

Split the clip where you want the freeze to start and end (unless it's at the end of the clip, then split where you want it to start freeze and go to the end) use a velocity envelope set to zero;0, and you're done.
Don

Edward Troxel · August 24th, 2003, 06:13 AM

Could you explain why "setting the velocity envelope to 0% would obviously not work"?

I DO use a velocity envelope for this task. If you want a sudden stop, you can set TWO points, one frame apart, the first at 100% and the second at 0%. Then, when you want movement to start again, set two more points - the first at 0% and the second at 100%.

If you want the speed to gradually change, just increase the number of frames between the two points.

Edward Troxel · August 24th, 2003, 06:15 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Don Bloom : Split the clip where you want the freeze to start and end (unless it's at the end of the clip, then split where you want it to start freeze and go to the end) use a velocity envelope set to zero;0, and you're done.
Don -->>>

There's really no need to split when you can just add two points to the velocity envelope at the beginning and end.

Tor Salomonsen · August 24th, 2003, 06:25 AM

It's not impossible at all!
Suppose you have a video event that you want to run forward first - up to a point where you freeze one frame, and then the event continues after a while?

Set a point at the frame you want to freeze, then one just before it. Set the first one to 0%. Then - down along the timeline for the amount of time you want the freeze to last, set another point and one just after. Set the first of these to 0%. Now you must drag the event out (grab the right edge of it and pull) until you reach that little triangle that tells you the event now occupy as much space on the timeline as it will last in playback. That's it.

The distance between the 100% and the 0% defines how sharp or gradual you want the stop/start to be.

EDIT: "the first one" meaning the frist you made, not the first on the timeline.

August 21st, 2003, 08:37 PM	#829
Harry Settle Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bemidji, MN Posts: 276	I ran a short test on a clip of a child lighting a candle in a church in the near dark. Slowed it down a bit and applied a little stuttering effect. Beautiful. __________________ "DOH"!!!

August 22nd, 2003, 07:54 AM	#830
Andrew Petrie Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 484	Edward, are there plans to enhance or add to the current tsunami offering? If so, will there be upgrades fees, or is a lisence good for any/all future updates? __________________ Andrew \| Canon XL1s, ME66, Vinten Vision 3, GlideCam V16 (for sale!)

August 22nd, 2003, 07:57 PM	#832
Adam VanScoyoc Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Oxford, PA Posts: 44	.avi to mydvd? Hi all, I am capturing scenes from an anolog 8mm sony and entering them into Vegas. Some of the more active scenes (like walking across the room with the camera following me) appear to be wavy. I figured this problem would go away after it was rendered so I rendered what I had as an AVI. Playing the AVI back with windows media player showed no signs of the probem, it was nice and clear. Then I brought the AVI into mydvd (which came with my burner) and burned it onto a dvd-rw. The dvd played in my dvd player, but the darn wavy picture was back. What could be causing this? I was going to link to a picture on my page, but it is temporarily down. I can email a captured image to anyone who may be interested. Thanks in advance. Any help will be greatly appreciated Adam

August 23rd, 2003, 08:32 PM	#835
Peter Wright Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 193	Tsunami II request Edward, Congratulations on Tsunami - the thing I love about it is that by making long and arduous jobs so simple, it gives us more time to "play" with settings and become more creative. I know many have commented on the Extract Good Clips tool, but the ones I have had most fun with so far are the video wall and PinP. The fact that you've moved into the Artistic side of script use has I think unlocked a huge potential for creativity. Anyway - I was wondering .... An effect sometimes used in TV title sequences is breaking a picture into several separated vertical rectangles, and for those rectangles to vary in width - some getting wider whilst others shrink. Sometimes the rectangles have shadows. I have achieved a somewhat similar effect by duplicating the same clip several times and applying pan crop, then keyframing sizes. Track Motion also can be introduced to make the "split" picture smaller within the main frame. This of course is a long and fiddly process, which made me wonder whether scripts could make things easier in the same way you have with Excalibur and Tsunami Anyway, I'd certainly be happy to purchase such a tool.. regards peter

August 24th, 2003, 03:16 AM	#836
Gerald Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 64	Freezing video to a frame and resuming. I was wondering how you could do this. Setting a velocity envelope to 0% would obviously be impossible. I've done it by taking a snapshot of a frame and inserting it, but I get black bars on the sides even though I compensated for 4:3 ratio (720x540 ntsc). Thanks for any help.

August 21st, 2003, 08:04 PM	#826
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	What's the newest version #?

August 21st, 2003, 08:16 PM	#827
Dan Measel Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 196	I had trouble seeing and understanding the ssstuttering tool in Tsunami. Is that a similar effect as the ghosting effect we talked about in a thread last month?

August 21st, 2003, 08:37 PM	#828
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I will agree that that effect does not show well in the video demo (it looked better on the screen). I still need to update that video and get a better sample of that shot and improve the audio. Here's the basic premise behind it. Say you have a locked down shot on a tripod and someone walks across the shot. The person would be seen 3 times - kind of like a shadowing trail. It's a really interesting effect. Look at your mouse when you turn on the "trails". This behaves similarly.

August 22nd, 2003, 08:46 AM	#831
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Any updates to Tsunami will be free. If there is a Tsunami II, it will be an entirely different product. As to whether Tsunami will acquire additional features: unknown at this time.

August 22nd, 2003, 08:11 PM	#833
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	WHERE are you playing this? It sounds like the interlacing issue. If interlaced video is played on a PC, you can see this. If progressive video is played on a TV, it can also show this. Render to standard DV-AVI and give that file to MyDVD. Create the DVD and see how it looks on a TV.

August 22nd, 2003, 08:35 PM	#834
Adam VanScoyoc Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Oxford, PA Posts: 44	hi, I guess I used standard avi. This is what it said below... Audio: 48,000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, PCM Uncompressed. Video: 29.97 fps, 720x480, Lower field first. Pixel Aspect Ratio: 0.909. OpenDML compatible. NTSC DV video files compatible with Sonic Foundry Video Capture.

August 24th, 2003, 06:11 AM	#837
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Split the clip where you want the freeze to start and end (unless it's at the end of the clip, then split where you want it to start freeze and go to the end) use a velocity envelope set to zero;0, and you're done. Don

August 24th, 2003, 06:13 AM	#838
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Could you explain why "setting the velocity envelope to 0% would obviously not work"? I DO use a velocity envelope for this task. If you want a sudden stop, you can set TWO points, one frame apart, the first at 100% and the second at 0%. Then, when you want movement to start again, set two more points - the first at 0% and the second at 100%. If you want the speed to gradually change, just increase the number of frames between the two points.

August 24th, 2003, 06:15 AM	#839
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	<<<-- Originally posted by Don Bloom : Split the clip where you want the freeze to start and end (unless it's at the end of the clip, then split where you want it to start freeze and go to the end) use a velocity envelope set to zero;0, and you're done. Don -->>> There's really no need to split when you can just add two points to the velocity envelope at the beginning and end.

August 24th, 2003, 06:25 AM	#840
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	It's not impossible at all! Suppose you have a video event that you want to run forward first - up to a point where you freeze one frame, and then the event continues after a while? Set a point at the frame you want to freeze, then one just before it. Set the first one to 0%. Then - down along the timeline for the amount of time you want the freeze to last, set another point and one just after. Set the first of these to 0%. Now you must drag the event out (grab the right edge of it and pull) until you reach that little triangle that tells you the event now occupy as much space on the timeline as it will last in playback. That's it. The distance between the 100% and the 0% defines how sharp or gradual you want the stop/start to be. EDIT: "the first one" meaning the frist you made, not the first on the timeline.