Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Edward Troxel · July 20th, 2003, 10:33 PM

The border effect should work fine. Just apply the border effect, choose the blurred preset, and adjust the size of the border.

Peter Jefferson · July 21st, 2003, 04:44 AM

tried that ... :(

border comes out blurred but black, and as far as i can see the colour bars dont allow have alpha... jsut solid colours... :( :(

Glen Elliott · July 21st, 2003, 05:09 AM

No one knows?! C'mon guys don't let me down....

Adrian Douglas · July 21st, 2003, 06:04 AM

Glen,

As Vegas is software based and not hardware based importing and editing shouldn't be a problem. It's when you come to exporting that could be a problem. NLE PAL-NTSC conversions aren't the best quality available, they're OK for personal stuff but certainly not broadcastable. I've done it with Quicktime and the results weren't too bad, occasional artifacts in fast motion sequences. As for exporting as MPG2, I'd convert first as native DV then export as an MPG2 file.

Glen Elliott · July 21st, 2003, 08:43 AM

So say if I transport the native PAL DV footage to my computer (from numerous DVDs) edit it in a PAL template, then I can actually export as NTSC DV AVI before encoding to MPG2. In other words it's both 1.possible and 2. advisable to export my edited PAL footage to NTSC DV AVI format before encoding for MPG2?

This is something I've never attempted- I've always kept the workflow totaly in NTSC...so I've never tried to switch format halfway through my workflow. Hopefully it'll allow it....without the "artifacting" you spoke of.

Chris Hurd · July 21st, 2003, 08:57 AM

Spot is on DMN because they're paying him to be there. Do you think I should make a counter-offer? We already have so many talented folks right here who should be paid. At any rate, you asked, so you receive... welcome to DV Info's new Vegas forum. Hope this helps,

Ed Smith · July 21st, 2003, 09:02 AM

Hey.. What about Premiere?

Ed

Chris Hurd · July 21st, 2003, 09:07 AM

If there's enough demand by a number of our members, and if there's someone talented enough to volunteer to moderate it, then sure, we can start a Premiere-specific forum. Or Final Cut, or Edition, or any flavor of video editing app. Hope this helps,

Edward Troxel · July 21st, 2003, 09:15 AM

Actually, the borders SHOULD be alpha. Place a solid color generated media BELOW the bordered clip. You should then see that color as the border.

Adrian Douglas · July 21st, 2003, 10:01 AM

There's a number of different ways to convert from PAL to NTSC without spending money. The first is to export your edited PAL project as an NTSC AVI. I haven't got Vegas handy at the moment but I think there is an option to resample or something like that, make sure it is checked.

Another way is to export you project as a PAL AVI and then convert to NTSC using Quicktime PRO if you have it.

I've tried both and had success with both to various degrees, but neither of them was what I would call broadcastable.

Glen Elliott · July 21st, 2003, 11:14 AM

So no matter what- when I convert PAL to NTSC I'll lose quality one way or another. I mean it makes sense- it not only runs on a different frame-rate, it has a different resolution.
So it's proabably best to stay within whatever format the source material started as, if possible. The only reason I needed to possibly convert to NTSC is because it's the only way to create DVD discs that were univeraly compatable.

How about MPG1s? If I edit the source PAL material and export as several MPG1 files is there any format incompatabilities? Do you even have to specify PAL or NTSC when encoding a simple MPG?

Peter Jefferson · July 21st, 2003, 11:27 AM

found an easier solution.. using the Border effect gives a solid colour.. but using the cookie cutter on the overlaid track works beautifully :)

just pic the cut away all but section, adjust the size, and voila works a charm!

Edward Troxel · July 21st, 2003, 11:48 AM

You are bound to lose a little quality simply because you are going from 25fps to 30fps. Where do the extra 5 frames come from? They have to be "created".

Edward Troxel · July 21st, 2003, 11:49 AM

Yes, either Border or Cookie Cutter should work well over a generated media color. Cookie Cutter will give more control as to shape, size, and position.

Glen Elliott · July 21st, 2003, 12:05 PM

Edward, is what I heard true regarding PAL players handling NTSC fine? Also any definitive info regarding outputting edited PAL footage as MPG1. When dealing with MPG1 media formats don't matter in regards to PC playback...correct.

July 21st, 2003, 06:04 AM	#589
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	Glen, As Vegas is software based and not hardware based importing and editing shouldn't be a problem. It's when you come to exporting that could be a problem. NLE PAL-NTSC conversions aren't the best quality available, they're OK for personal stuff but certainly not broadcastable. I've done it with Quicktime and the results weren't too bad, occasional artifacts in fast motion sequences. As for exporting as MPG2, I'd convert first as native DV then export as an MPG2 file. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

July 21st, 2003, 08:57 AM	#591
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Spot is on DMN because they're paying him to be there. Do you think I should make a counter-offer? We already have so many talented folks right here who should be paid. At any rate, you asked, so you receive... welcome to DV Info's new Vegas forum. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 21st, 2003, 09:02 AM	#592
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hey.. What about Premiere? Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

July 21st, 2003, 09:07 AM	#593
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	If there's enough demand by a number of our members, and if there's someone talented enough to volunteer to moderate it, then sure, we can start a Premiere-specific forum. Or Final Cut, or Edition, or any flavor of video editing app. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 21st, 2003, 10:01 AM	#595
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	There's a number of different ways to convert from PAL to NTSC without spending money. The first is to export your edited PAL project as an NTSC AVI. I haven't got Vegas handy at the moment but I think there is an option to resample or something like that, make sure it is checked. Another way is to export you project as a PAL AVI and then convert to NTSC using Quicktime PRO if you have it. I've tried both and had success with both to various degrees, but neither of them was what I would call broadcastable. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

July 20th, 2003, 10:33 PM	#586
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The border effect should work fine. Just apply the border effect, choose the blurred preset, and adjust the size of the border.

July 21st, 2003, 04:44 AM	#587
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	tried that ... :( border comes out blurred but black, and as far as i can see the colour bars dont allow have alpha... jsut solid colours... :( :(

July 21st, 2003, 05:09 AM	#588
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	No one knows?! C'mon guys don't let me down....

July 21st, 2003, 08:43 AM	#590
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	So say if I transport the native PAL DV footage to my computer (from numerous DVDs) edit it in a PAL template, then I can actually export as NTSC DV AVI before encoding to MPG2. In other words it's both 1.possible and 2. advisable to export my edited PAL footage to NTSC DV AVI format before encoding for MPG2? This is something I've never attempted- I've always kept the workflow totaly in NTSC...so I've never tried to switch format halfway through my workflow. Hopefully it'll allow it....without the "artifacting" you spoke of.

July 21st, 2003, 09:15 AM	#594
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Actually, the borders SHOULD be alpha. Place a solid color generated media BELOW the bordered clip. You should then see that color as the border.

July 21st, 2003, 11:14 AM	#596
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	So no matter what- when I convert PAL to NTSC I'll lose quality one way or another. I mean it makes sense- it not only runs on a different frame-rate, it has a different resolution. So it's proabably best to stay within whatever format the source material started as, if possible. The only reason I needed to possibly convert to NTSC is because it's the only way to create DVD discs that were univeraly compatable. How about MPG1s? If I edit the source PAL material and export as several MPG1 files is there any format incompatabilities? Do you even have to specify PAL or NTSC when encoding a simple MPG?

July 21st, 2003, 11:27 AM	#597
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	found an easier solution.. using the Border effect gives a solid colour.. but using the cookie cutter on the overlaid track works beautifully :) just pic the cut away all but section, adjust the size, and voila works a charm!

July 21st, 2003, 11:48 AM	#598
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You are bound to lose a little quality simply because you are going from 25fps to 30fps. Where do the extra 5 frames come from? They have to be "created".

July 21st, 2003, 11:49 AM	#599
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes, either Border or Cookie Cutter should work well over a generated media color. Cookie Cutter will give more control as to shape, size, and position.

July 21st, 2003, 12:05 PM	#600
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Edward, is what I heard true regarding PAL players handling NTSC fine? Also any definitive info regarding outputting edited PAL footage as MPG1. When dealing with MPG1 media formats don't matter in regards to PC playback...correct.