Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Glen Elliott · July 7th, 2003, 08:35 AM

He was trying to add an effect/filter that was specific to Premiere.
So what your saying is if I finish a project in Vegas and want to encode it in Canopus Procoder I can do so using Frame Server? I read the description and it made it sound like it was only made for transferring data from one NLE timeline to another.
Have you used Frame Server to output your timeline to a stand-alone encoder sucessfully? If so which NLE and what encoding program?

Hans van Turnhout · July 7th, 2003, 09:01 AM

I have done it succesfully from Vegas 4 to ProCoder (demo version 1.25) and CCE (also a demo version). Since I've only had access to demo versions the clips have been very small in size (5 minute limit with ProCoder and a 3 minute limit with CCE).

Hans

Glen Elliott · July 7th, 2003, 10:07 AM

So how exactly do you do it- the site doesn't have detailed directions. You export from Vegas (file> render as>) then choose Frame Server as the file type. Then what- do you have to keep Vegas open (and "serving") while you open up Procoder and start the render? Also with Procoder do you simply just choose the file being served as the source....is the render times decreased doing it this way- or is it basicly working just as if Vegas had a Procoder Plug-in. In other words, I have Procoder with the Premiere plug-in, so when I'm finished editing I can encode right from the Premiere timeline in Procoder...so in a sense Premiere is "serving" the timeline to Procoder, and works on the same premis as Frame Server?
*did I lose you, I'm rambling?!*

Edward Troxel · July 7th, 2003, 10:52 AM

Yes, that is the method used. Just "Render As" to the frameserver file and open that framerserver file in the target application (i.e. Procoder or CCE or whatever). If you do that to Premiere, you are doing EXACTLY the same thing.

I don't know if there is any speed difference BUT you won't need all the extra disk space required for the intermediate render.

Glen Elliott · July 7th, 2003, 12:13 PM

Ed, so does Vegas have to stay running while Procoder encodes?

...and, why did my friend end up having to re-render the file that was being served from Vegas to Premiere?

Edward Troxel · July 7th, 2003, 03:06 PM

Yes, Vegas has to remain running. It can't "serve" if it is not running.

Jesper Hallen · July 8th, 2003, 07:23 AM

it's like the premiere's .ppj-files

Peter Moore · July 10th, 2003, 12:17 PM

Kewl, so what can I do in the meantime?

Dennis Adams · July 10th, 2003, 10:18 PM

Write a set of smaller files, use a different format (QuickTime?) or frameserve from Premeire.
///d@

Rob Lohman · July 11th, 2003, 05:36 AM

As Dennis correctly pointed out the name Alex is reffering to is
the CAPTURE device used. By default Vegas does use its own
codec and you can check this in the preferences as pointed out
in this thread.

Rob Lohman · July 11th, 2003, 05:43 AM

Can you tell us a bit more on what you did to export the movie?
What settings etc. did you use?

Rob Lohman · July 11th, 2003, 06:58 AM

I downloaded two scripts once that both copy a frame at full
quality within vegas on the clipboard. One of the two ALSO
writes it to disk as either JPG or PNG.

The nice thing is that:

1. you don't have to change your previews settings manually

2. they restore your preview window after the export

3. they export in the CORRECT aspect ratio for viewing/editing
on a PC in something like photoshop (that uses a 1.0 PA)

If anyone is interested I can e-mail both scripts. Don't know
where I downloaded those... Send me an e-mail at visuar@iname.com
if you want 'em!

Edward Troxel · July 11th, 2003, 09:13 AM

The scripts can be downloaded from http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/help/kb/kb_files.asp

Rob Lohman · July 11th, 2003, 09:15 AM

Indeed! Thanks for finding that again. You do need to register
with the site though (free).

Rob Lohman · July 11th, 2003, 09:27 AM

I've had good results in Vegas downcoverting the framerate.
However I did not had to upsample the resolution. Are you
referring to that?

July 8th, 2003, 07:23 AM	#532
Jesper Hallen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gothenburg, EU Posts: 35	it's like the premiere's .ppj-files __________________ - jeha!

July 11th, 2003, 05:36 AM	#535
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	As Dennis correctly pointed out the name Alex is reffering to is the CAPTURE device used. By default Vegas does use its own codec and you can check this in the preferences as pointed out in this thread. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 11th, 2003, 05:43 AM	#536
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Can you tell us a bit more on what you did to export the movie? What settings etc. did you use? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 11th, 2003, 06:58 AM	#537
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I downloaded two scripts once that both copy a frame at full quality within vegas on the clipboard. One of the two ALSO writes it to disk as either JPG or PNG. The nice thing is that: 1. you don't have to change your previews settings manually 2. they restore your preview window after the export 3. they export in the CORRECT aspect ratio for viewing/editing on a PC in something like photoshop (that uses a 1.0 PA) If anyone is interested I can e-mail both scripts. Don't know where I downloaded those... Send me an e-mail at visuar@iname.com if you want 'em! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 11th, 2003, 09:15 AM	#539
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Indeed! Thanks for finding that again. You do need to register with the site though (free). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 7th, 2003, 08:35 AM	#526
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	He was trying to add an effect/filter that was specific to Premiere. So what your saying is if I finish a project in Vegas and want to encode it in Canopus Procoder I can do so using Frame Server? I read the description and it made it sound like it was only made for transferring data from one NLE timeline to another. Have you used Frame Server to output your timeline to a stand-alone encoder sucessfully? If so which NLE and what encoding program?

July 7th, 2003, 09:01 AM	#527
Hans van Turnhout Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 70	I have done it succesfully from Vegas 4 to ProCoder (demo version 1.25) and CCE (also a demo version). Since I've only had access to demo versions the clips have been very small in size (5 minute limit with ProCoder and a 3 minute limit with CCE). Hans

July 7th, 2003, 10:07 AM	#528
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	So how exactly do you do it- the site doesn't have detailed directions. You export from Vegas (file> render as>) then choose Frame Server as the file type. Then what- do you have to keep Vegas open (and "serving") while you open up Procoder and start the render? Also with Procoder do you simply just choose the file being served as the source....is the render times decreased doing it this way- or is it basicly working just as if Vegas had a Procoder Plug-in. In other words, I have Procoder with the Premiere plug-in, so when I'm finished editing I can encode right from the Premiere timeline in Procoder...so in a sense Premiere is "serving" the timeline to Procoder, and works on the same premis as Frame Server? did I lose you, I'm rambling?!

July 7th, 2003, 10:52 AM	#529
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes, that is the method used. Just "Render As" to the frameserver file and open that framerserver file in the target application (i.e. Procoder or CCE or whatever). If you do that to Premiere, you are doing EXACTLY the same thing. I don't know if there is any speed difference BUT you won't need all the extra disk space required for the intermediate render.

July 7th, 2003, 12:13 PM	#530
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Ed, so does Vegas have to stay running while Procoder encodes? ...and, why did my friend end up having to re-render the file that was being served from Vegas to Premiere?

July 7th, 2003, 03:06 PM	#531
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes, Vegas has to remain running. It can't "serve" if it is not running.

July 10th, 2003, 12:17 PM	#533
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Kewl, so what can I do in the meantime?

July 10th, 2003, 10:18 PM	#534
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	Write a set of smaller files, use a different format (QuickTime?) or frameserve from Premeire. ///d@

July 11th, 2003, 09:13 AM	#538
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The scripts can be downloaded from http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/help/kb/kb_files.asp

July 11th, 2003, 09:27 AM	#540
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I've had good results in Vegas downcoverting the framerate. However I did not had to upsample the resolution. Are you referring to that? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors