Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Tor Salomonsen · July 4th, 2003, 01:36 PM

I cannot explain in technical terms what Reduce interlace flicker does, but it does NOT deinterlace. That is done by selections you choose in the render dialogue. In my experience Reduce interlace flicker just does what it's called.
Vegas 4 is supposed to resample automatically when an event has changed. I often select Force resample nonetheless, then I'm sure resampling will be done.
Give it a try.

Peter Moore · July 4th, 2003, 03:14 PM

Will do. Thanks for the advice!

Mike Moncrief · July 4th, 2003, 06:11 PM

Hello,

more of an updat on this situation.. I drug my camera to the editing room, and connected everything.. and all works, i see the external monitor video, i am able to print to tape.. So it is a setting or something may be wrong with my panasonic AG-DV2000.. Any ideas ?/

Mike

Edward Troxel · July 4th, 2003, 10:42 PM

See if this refers to the same problem (read the whole thread)

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/S...ssageID=191887

Mike Moncrief · July 5th, 2003, 09:26 AM

hello,

i am stumped on this problem..currently vegas is useless to me, as i am unable to Print To Tape or see any external video..

I have a Panasonic AG-DV2000 deck connected via firewire.. i have been unable to use it to view video on an external monitor, or to Print To Tape..
here is what i have been able to do..

machine control seems normal, even on Print To Tape, just no video..
i tried with my Sony DV Camera (Which I do not want to use as my deck) and all works as advertised.. external monitor and Print To Tape Work !!
i tried using the Sony Video camera as my video source to the Panasonic Deck, to see if it would Pass through.. and yes i can see video out..

i tried various settings on the Panny deck, none seem to make a difference.. The edit mode is set to passive and DV, with the input select set to DV..

Any other AG-DV2000 owners have any ideas.. as I am baffled at what to do next..

Mike

Peter Moore · July 5th, 2003, 08:45 PM

Hm, hard to say if that's the same problem. It may be just an inherent problem with rotating footage. I noticed that Premier does a rotation and applies an excessive amount of blur to it when it does. Vegas may be applying much less blur, if any, leaving it to you to get it the way you want. At any rate, I'm not using the rotation as the slightly crooked camera is much less noticable than a horizontal line running through the picture! :)

Edward Troxel · July 5th, 2003, 10:28 PM

Not sure without checking every single setting on mine. I know it DOES work with Vegas as I have two of them working with Vegas connected to three different computers.

Glen Elliott · July 6th, 2003, 02:52 PM

I was thinking about doing my next project in Vegas- that way I am forced to learn the interface better, etc. My only concern is it's rendering speed for mpg 1 and 2. I currently have worked with Procoder right from the Premiere timeline and am very happy with the speed and quality. I usually renders at roughly 14fps which only takes roughly 2 hours for an hour project.

1.I haven't even tried to render anything in Vegas yet- I heard you have to "register" Vegas's MainConcept encoder before using it- does that mean simply register or is there a fee that is applied?

2. How is the speed of Vegas's rendering? Anyone use both Procoder and Vegas's MPG1 and 2 encoding?

3. If there is a dramatic advantage in speed using Procoder- how is outputting to DV AVI from Vegas then using procoder to convert that to MPG2- Will there be any quality loss?!

Hans van Turnhout · July 6th, 2003, 03:07 PM

1. There is no fee involved.

2. I have nothing to compare with.

3. You can get a frameserver for Vegas at http://www.debugmode.com/pluginpac/frameserver.php so you do not have to create any intermediate avi files if you want to use another encoder than the MainConcept encoder. By using the frameserver you will be encoding directly from the timeline so there should be no "additional" quality loss.

Hans

Glen Elliott · July 6th, 2003, 04:17 PM

A friend of mine played Guinnie Pig and tried out Frame Server and when he got the file into Premiere (from Vegas) he had to render the file in Premiere anway. Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?!

Glen Elliott · July 6th, 2003, 04:19 PM

Premiere has a filter you can add an opague colored border to your video on eitehr the horzontal or vertical edges that obscures the video. Does Vegas have anything that does this?

Glen Elliott · July 6th, 2003, 07:46 PM

Like black bars to simulate 16x9...but without using the pan/crop tool. I need to be able to obscure video on the sides as well if need be.

Edward Troxel · July 6th, 2003, 09:13 PM

Use Photoshop (or any paint program or even generated media) to create a mask using any types of borders you want. Any picture can be used as a mask. Use it to either put edges on top or bottom.

Glen Elliott · July 7th, 2003, 05:32 AM

Nevermind I found out how to do it:
-add new track
-right click, choose add generated media, solid color
-then use the track motion tool with the maintain aspect un-checked to resize it and move to whatever corner of the screen.

Not bad beings I'm a 3-week Vegas newb! ;)

PS When you use the pan-crop tool to crop to 16x9- will that just add black bars (letterboxing) on the screen? Or does that actually change it's aspect to 16x9?

Hans van Turnhout · July 7th, 2003, 06:29 AM

I can't understand why he would send a file from Vegas to Premiere. I have sent files from the Vegas timeline to stand-alone encoders (trial versions but I can't imagine this makes any difference) without any problems. As far as I understand the purpose of the frameserver is to be able to send the files directly from the timeline to stand-alone encoders (no need to render to intermediate files).

July 4th, 2003, 06:11 PM	#513
Mike Moncrief Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: orlando florida Posts: 426	Hello, more of an updat on this situation.. I drug my camera to the editing room, and connected everything.. and all works, i see the external monitor video, i am able to print to tape.. So it is a setting or something may be wrong with my panasonic AG-DV2000.. Any ideas ?/ Mike __________________ Mike Moncrief mikemoncrief@gmail.com www.themikemoncrief.com

July 5th, 2003, 09:26 AM	#515
Mike Moncrief Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: orlando florida Posts: 426	AG-DV2000 and Vegas hello, i am stumped on this problem..currently vegas is useless to me, as i am unable to Print To Tape or see any external video.. I have a Panasonic AG-DV2000 deck connected via firewire.. i have been unable to use it to view video on an external monitor, or to Print To Tape.. here is what i have been able to do.. machine control seems normal, even on Print To Tape, just no video.. i tried with my Sony DV Camera (Which I do not want to use as my deck) and all works as advertised.. external monitor and Print To Tape Work !! i tried using the Sony Video camera as my video source to the Panasonic Deck, to see if it would Pass through.. and yes i can see video out.. i tried various settings on the Panny deck, none seem to make a difference.. The edit mode is set to passive and DV, with the input select set to DV.. Any other AG-DV2000 owners have any ideas.. as I am baffled at what to do next.. Mike __________________ Mike Moncrief mikemoncrief@gmail.com www.themikemoncrief.com

July 6th, 2003, 02:52 PM	#518
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Rendering in Vegas vs Procoder I was thinking about doing my next project in Vegas- that way I am forced to learn the interface better, etc. My only concern is it's rendering speed for mpg 1 and 2. I currently have worked with Procoder right from the Premiere timeline and am very happy with the speed and quality. I usually renders at roughly 14fps which only takes roughly 2 hours for an hour project. 1.I haven't even tried to render anything in Vegas yet- I heard you have to "register" Vegas's MainConcept encoder before using it- does that mean simply register or is there a fee that is applied? 2. How is the speed of Vegas's rendering? Anyone use both Procoder and Vegas's MPG1 and 2 encoding? 3. If there is a dramatic advantage in speed using Procoder- how is outputting to DV AVI from Vegas then using procoder to convert that to MPG2- Will there be any quality loss?!

July 6th, 2003, 04:19 PM	#521
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Does Vegas have anything like Premiere's "Clip" filter? Premiere has a filter you can add an opague colored border to your video on eitehr the horzontal or vertical edges that obscures the video. Does Vegas have anything that does this?

July 4th, 2003, 01:36 PM	#511
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	I cannot explain in technical terms what Reduce interlace flicker does, but it does NOT deinterlace. That is done by selections you choose in the render dialogue. In my experience Reduce interlace flicker just does what it's called. Vegas 4 is supposed to resample automatically when an event has changed. I often select Force resample nonetheless, then I'm sure resampling will be done. Give it a try.

July 4th, 2003, 03:14 PM	#512
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Will do. Thanks for the advice!

July 4th, 2003, 10:42 PM	#514
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	See if this refers to the same problem (read the whole thread) http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/S...ssageID=191887

July 5th, 2003, 08:45 PM	#516
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Hm, hard to say if that's the same problem. It may be just an inherent problem with rotating footage. I noticed that Premier does a rotation and applies an excessive amount of blur to it when it does. Vegas may be applying much less blur, if any, leaving it to you to get it the way you want. At any rate, I'm not using the rotation as the slightly crooked camera is much less noticable than a horizontal line running through the picture! :)

July 5th, 2003, 10:28 PM	#517
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Not sure without checking every single setting on mine. I know it DOES work with Vegas as I have two of them working with Vegas connected to three different computers.

July 6th, 2003, 03:07 PM	#519
Hans van Turnhout Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 70	1. There is no fee involved. 2. I have nothing to compare with. 3. You can get a frameserver for Vegas at http://www.debugmode.com/pluginpac/frameserver.php so you do not have to create any intermediate avi files if you want to use another encoder than the MainConcept encoder. By using the frameserver you will be encoding directly from the timeline so there should be no "additional" quality loss. Hans

July 6th, 2003, 04:17 PM	#520
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	A friend of mine played Guinnie Pig and tried out Frame Server and when he got the file into Premiere (from Vegas) he had to render the file in Premiere anway. Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?!

July 6th, 2003, 07:46 PM	#522
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Like black bars to simulate 16x9...but without using the pan/crop tool. I need to be able to obscure video on the sides as well if need be.

July 6th, 2003, 09:13 PM	#523
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Use Photoshop (or any paint program or even generated media) to create a mask using any types of borders you want. Any picture can be used as a mask. Use it to either put edges on top or bottom.

July 7th, 2003, 05:32 AM	#524
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Nevermind I found out how to do it: -add new track -right click, choose add generated media, solid color -then use the track motion tool with the maintain aspect un-checked to resize it and move to whatever corner of the screen. Not bad beings I'm a 3-week Vegas newb! ;) PS When you use the pan-crop tool to crop to 16x9- will that just add black bars (letterboxing) on the screen? Or does that actually change it's aspect to 16x9?

July 7th, 2003, 06:29 AM	#525
Hans van Turnhout Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 70	I can't understand why he would send a file from Vegas to Premiere. I have sent files from the Vegas timeline to stand-alone encoders (trial versions but I can't imagine this makes any difference) without any problems. As far as I understand the purpose of the frameserver is to be able to send the files directly from the timeline to stand-alone encoders (no need to render to intermediate files).