Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Glen Elliott · June 9th, 2003, 12:41 PM

Good question- I have a similar one-I see it supports the 500a but what about the 500ax?
Thanks in advance everyone.

Mike Moncrief · June 9th, 2003, 12:55 PM

Hello,

I am hoping some users chime in here.. before i go out and buy my DVD burner.. what is the difference between the dru500a and dru50ax ???
thanks,
Mike Moncrief

Will Fastie · June 9th, 2003, 03:21 PM

The answer to the question can be found at http://sony.storagesupport.com/cgi-b...A/faq/view/656.

The answer is that the hardware is identical but that the software isn't. You have to download some stuff for the A model, but everything is current for the AX model.

Sony is now up to the 510A, which writes -R, +R, and +RW at 4x. -RW stays at 2x. Same for the 500ULX, the external version.

Robert Poulton · June 10th, 2003, 02:22 AM

I have the 500ULX and vegas +dvd and what fun it is to make a dvd. I spent all of yesterday working on two different dvd's and they turned out just amazing. Also they looked great when played on a good entertainment system. I like the layout of dvd architect and the abilities it comes with. I do wish it has alittle more options.

Rob:D

Glen Elliott · June 10th, 2003, 04:45 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Will Fastie :
Sony is now up to the 510A, which writes -R, +R, and +RW at 4x. -RW stays at 2x. Same for the 500ULX, the external version. -->>>

The DRU-500AX writes at 4x.

Peter Jefferson · June 10th, 2003, 08:37 AM

woohoo!!!

got any links for perverts like me ???

hmm.. boris in vegas... drool!!

Hugh DiMauro · June 10th, 2003, 09:25 AM

Does anybody know the pros and cons with converting an original interlaced source to 24p from the very beginning (i.e. from capture on) versus just rendering out the finished, edited interlaced movie to 24p?

Rob Lohman · June 10th, 2003, 09:54 AM

The pro is that Vegas has to render less material when doing
things like effects, wipes, transitions and color correction. Since
you have 6 less frames each second.

But then again you need to convert everything you've shot
instead of everything you use....

Glen Elliott · June 10th, 2003, 11:39 AM

Wait, so if I shoot some footage on my DVX100 import it into Vegas then choose to remove pull-down, it's gotta go render ALL the footage I capture?! Am I getting this correctly or not?...At what point does Vegas remove the pull-down? I thought it automatically did it during capture without additional time spent "rendering" or "removing pull-down".

Josh Bass · June 10th, 2003, 11:49 AM

The newer versions have 24p selectable from the project properties. Doesn't this mean if you pull in footage from a DV100, already in 24p, there isn't any additional rendering? That's what I'd think.

Hugh DiMauro · June 10th, 2003, 12:03 PM

To clarify things, here's why I ask: When I captured and finished editing an interlaced video on Vegas 4.0, I rendered out to 24p and it kind of appeared to be progressive-looking. I was wracking my brain to decide whether or not the picture lost sharpness while I watched on a regular TV. So then I go ahead and capture and edit some more interlaced video but this time I set up my 24p preferences from the very beginning before making a single edit (if I'm making sense). When I rendered, the pictre was very (and I mean noticeably) stuttery. Did I do something wrong?

Don Donatello · June 10th, 2003, 12:07 PM

Vegas does not have to render a dvx 100 24P clip in order to play it back .. V will throw out the pull down "on the fly"(from dvx100) if project is set up as 24P project( remove pull down is checked under preference) ...

for a clip shot interlace that you want to convert to 24p. V will have to delete 12 fields every second = jerky video .. you might be able to make it a bit smoother by changing the current project deiinterlace method to BLEND ( FILE /properties)

Hugh DiMauro · June 10th, 2003, 12:39 PM

Okay. How about this: When shooting the XL1s in "frame" mode, does the editing software read it as interlaced or progressive scan? Keep this in mind when you realize that the preferences options do not offer 30p (as, I suspect, the XL1s shoots at. But then again, where did I read that the frame mode isn't a true progressive scan... Curioser snd curiouser)

Glen Elliott · June 10th, 2003, 01:04 PM

I'm not quite sure technically how Canon does frame mode- I think it's something to do with the fields (obviously, right!). 24p with pulldown removed is true 24 frames per second. Frame mode is a tweak on the feilds the camera captures...rather than capturing 2 every second it captures 1 and repeats it so technically it's repeating every feild twice...giving it the appearance of 30fps, all the while sitll running at 29.97. All that rambling is my take on it- I could be wrong.

All I DO know is that frame mode is in no way a true progressive format. It's more about the "look" of the video, as it still (when broken down) is 29.9/60i footage. It's not similar to DVX100 footage in that it's progressive format can be retrieved via pull-down removal. I don't think you should have to worry about tweaking 24p settings in Vegas with XL-1s Frame-mode footage. It's to be treated as normal 60i. Though one thing Frame Mode is excellent for is grabbing stills from footage!

Mike Moncrief · June 10th, 2003, 01:32 PM

Hello,

When capturing video and audio in Vegas, seems like much of the time, the audio is garbled while capturing.. but sounds OK playing back on the timeline.. Am i missing something here to be able to monitor audio ungarbled ??

Thanks,

June 9th, 2003, 12:55 PM	#347
Mike Moncrief Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: orlando florida Posts: 426	Hello, I am hoping some users chime in here.. before i go out and buy my DVD burner.. what is the difference between the dru500a and dru50ax ??? thanks, Mike Moncrief __________________ Mike Moncrief mikemoncrief@gmail.com www.themikemoncrief.com

June 10th, 2003, 09:25 AM	#352
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	24P in Vegas 4.0 Does anybody know the pros and cons with converting an original interlaced source to 24p from the very beginning (i.e. from capture on) versus just rendering out the finished, edited interlaced movie to 24p?

June 10th, 2003, 09:54 AM	#353
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	The pro is that Vegas has to render less material when doing things like effects, wipes, transitions and color correction. Since you have 6 less frames each second. But then again you need to convert everything you've shot instead of everything you use.... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 10th, 2003, 11:49 AM	#355
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	The newer versions have 24p selectable from the project properties. Doesn't this mean if you pull in footage from a DV100, already in 24p, there isn't any additional rendering? That's what I'd think. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

June 10th, 2003, 01:32 PM	#360
Mike Moncrief Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: orlando florida Posts: 426	Vegas capture and audio.. Hello, When capturing video and audio in Vegas, seems like much of the time, the audio is garbled while capturing.. but sounds OK playing back on the timeline.. Am i missing something here to be able to monitor audio ungarbled ?? Thanks, __________________ Mike Moncrief mikemoncrief@gmail.com www.themikemoncrief.com

June 9th, 2003, 12:41 PM	#346
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Good question- I have a similar one-I see it supports the 500a but what about the 500ax? Thanks in advance everyone.

June 9th, 2003, 03:21 PM	#348
Will Fastie Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Jarrettsville, MD Posts: 353	The answer to the question can be found at http://sony.storagesupport.com/cgi-b...A/faq/view/656. The answer is that the hardware is identical but that the software isn't. You have to download some stuff for the A model, but everything is current for the AX model. Sony is now up to the 510A, which writes -R, +R, and +RW at 4x. -RW stays at 2x. Same for the 500ULX, the external version.

June 10th, 2003, 02:22 AM	#349
Robert Poulton Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 245	I have the 500ULX and vegas +dvd and what fun it is to make a dvd. I spent all of yesterday working on two different dvd's and they turned out just amazing. Also they looked great when played on a good entertainment system. I like the layout of dvd architect and the abilities it comes with. I do wish it has alittle more options. Rob:D

June 10th, 2003, 04:45 AM	#350
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	<<<-- Originally posted by Will Fastie : Sony is now up to the 510A, which writes -R, +R, and +RW at 4x. -RW stays at 2x. Same for the 500ULX, the external version. -->>> The DRU-500AX writes at 4x.

June 10th, 2003, 08:37 AM	#351
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	woohoo!!! got any links for perverts like me ??? hmm.. boris in vegas... drool!!

June 10th, 2003, 11:39 AM	#354
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Wait, so if I shoot some footage on my DVX100 import it into Vegas then choose to remove pull-down, it's gotta go render ALL the footage I capture?! Am I getting this correctly or not?...At what point does Vegas remove the pull-down? I thought it automatically did it during capture without additional time spent "rendering" or "removing pull-down".

June 10th, 2003, 12:03 PM	#356
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	To clarify things, here's why I ask: When I captured and finished editing an interlaced video on Vegas 4.0, I rendered out to 24p and it kind of appeared to be progressive-looking. I was wracking my brain to decide whether or not the picture lost sharpness while I watched on a regular TV. So then I go ahead and capture and edit some more interlaced video but this time I set up my 24p preferences from the very beginning before making a single edit (if I'm making sense). When I rendered, the pictre was very (and I mean noticeably) stuttery. Did I do something wrong?

June 10th, 2003, 12:07 PM	#357
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	Vegas does not have to render a dvx 100 24P clip in order to play it back .. V will throw out the pull down "on the fly"(from dvx100) if project is set up as 24P project( remove pull down is checked under preference) ... for a clip shot interlace that you want to convert to 24p. V will have to delete 12 fields every second = jerky video .. you might be able to make it a bit smoother by changing the current project deiinterlace method to BLEND ( FILE /properties)

June 10th, 2003, 12:39 PM	#358
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	Okay. How about this: When shooting the XL1s in "frame" mode, does the editing software read it as interlaced or progressive scan? Keep this in mind when you realize that the preferences options do not offer 30p (as, I suspect, the XL1s shoots at. But then again, where did I read that the frame mode isn't a true progressive scan... Curioser snd curiouser)

June 10th, 2003, 01:04 PM	#359
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	I'm not quite sure technically how Canon does frame mode- I think it's something to do with the fields (obviously, right!). 24p with pulldown removed is true 24 frames per second. Frame mode is a tweak on the feilds the camera captures...rather than capturing 2 every second it captures 1 and repeats it so technically it's repeating every feild twice...giving it the appearance of 30fps, all the while sitll running at 29.97. All that rambling is my take on it- I could be wrong. All I DO know is that frame mode is in no way a true progressive format. It's more about the "look" of the video, as it still (when broken down) is 29.9/60i footage. It's not similar to DVX100 footage in that it's progressive format can be retrieved via pull-down removal. I don't think you should have to worry about tweaking 24p settings in Vegas with XL-1s Frame-mode footage. It's to be treated as normal 60i. Though one thing Frame Mode is excellent for is grabbing stills from footage!