Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Stephen Sobel · January 29th, 2003, 05:55 PM

Does anyone know what specific features you will be able to get with DVD Architect that you won't get with Vegas 4 (other than the ability to burn DVDs)?

David Mintzer · January 29th, 2003, 08:07 PM

Steve--its not burning DVDs--its an authoring program, entirely different then Vegas (an NLE) You author your DVD's---create chapters etc with ARchitect---dont confuse the two.

Eric Reynolds · January 29th, 2003, 08:36 PM

Okay. I have had this problem for days now, I asked on sonicfo. forums with no help. Maybe you guys can help...

When I try to render as mpeg2 (because I will need to burn to dvd soon) it renders for about 2-3 minutes and then I get an error (error unknown)... this is a problem that others on the sonicfo. forums have yet nobody knows how to fix it. I am running out of time and need to get this thing turned into a mpeg2. dvd quality...

Can you guys either:

A. Tell me what is wrong with vegas.

B. Tell me what I should do as far as programs other than vegas that can make good mpeg2s... some "how to's" would be fantastic if you recommend another program. I have never burned a dvd and could use all the help I can get.

Rob Lohman · January 30th, 2003, 03:13 AM

Eric,

Download TMPGEnc from www.tmpgenc.net and output your
final movie from VV to AVI. Then load this up in the encoder
and select the correct DVD template. Hit encode and it should
make you a compliant MPEG-2 file. You can try this out for 20
or 30 days.

Authoring a DVD is a whole different game. I believe Nero
can make a self-playing DVD-Video (just drop the file in), but
I'm not sure. Haven't done authoring myself yet.

Good luck

Josh Bass · January 30th, 2003, 01:22 PM

And TMPGEnc's quality was much better than the MPEG that Vegas could make, in my opinion.

Dan Holly · January 31st, 2003, 12:56 AM

Thanks Tor,
I've had 2 problems that no one on these boards has had with VV 3.0.

I was starting to get a complex......heh

Tor Salomonsen · January 31st, 2003, 01:24 AM

Dan,
Are you using V V 3.0? If yours is a Vegas problem after all, an upgrade to 3 c might help. That is a free download for anyone with a valid 3.0 ownership. There won't be a 3 d, but 4.0 is just around the corner. That will get rid of your complexes (but not your complexion - due to its powerfur colour correction tools - ha ha).

Tor Salomonsen · January 31st, 2003, 02:16 AM

Here's the DVD Architect product info:
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/dvda-feat.asp

and here's the forum:
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowTopics.asp?ForumID=22

Dan Measel · January 31st, 2003, 02:39 AM

I've noticed that when I use moving texts in my projects on Vegas Video there are horizontal kind of pixelated lines in the text. I don't know if I am explaining the way the text looks well, but I would prefer more homogeneous smooth appearing moving texts. I am rendering as mpeg2 and I think my settings are just the default ones. Am I doing something wrong or is that just the way they look? Does anyone use a text generator plug-in to achieve better results?

Thanks

Hans van Turnhout · January 31st, 2003, 04:01 AM

I have downloaded and started to play with the Vegas demo (I have no previous experience from Vegas).

The PAL DV widescreen aspect ratio in Vegas is stated as 1.4568. In Premiere the aspect ratio is stated as 1.422 and in EasyChanger as 0.7031 (which is the the same as the inverted value ratio stated in Premiere).

Is there anyone that can shed some light on this issue? As I understand either Vegas or Premiere have/states the wrong AR. I have captured Widescreen DV (from a Sony PDX10P which is stated to record "true" widescreen without being a native 16:9 CCD) and edited in Premiere and in Vegas. Since I've only encoded a short clip (about 1 minute) and I can't view the clips side by side it's hard to tell which gives the most accurate result. However, in Vegas as well as in Premiere it seems as part of the picture is "over the top and under the bottom" (Canopus watermark partly hidden). Could this latter be due to overscan and is it something that I have to live with or could it be that I use the wrong template? In Vegas I have tried output to PAL DV Widescreen (no watermark which might be due to "none watermarked" codec) and Canopus and MainConcept (resulted in watermark).

Any input is highly appreciated.

Hans

Rob Lohman · January 31st, 2003, 08:01 AM

I suspect Premiere is correct since they have the product longer
and also because it is the same value of that other product
(inverted).... but ofcourse I might be wrong

Don Donatello · January 31st, 2003, 07:18 PM

1.45 or 1.42 ??
for normal ntsc some use .9 others .9091

you can make it whatever you like in V .. so if you want to use the premiere 1.42 ... in V window FILE / Properties ... now in the pixel aspect choose PAL widescreen THEN change the 1.45xx to 1.42 ... this will change the preview window so a clip with aspect of 1.42 will fill it ( no bars on sides)

to make sure your clip has the same pixel aspect ( in V only) so you don't have black bars on sides go to media pool - right click on clip - PROPERTIES .. again change the pixel aspect to pal widescreen then change the 1.45 to 1.42

NOTE that many of these hand size camera's do NOT fill the whole frame from side to side ... so you might not be able to get rid of the black on each side

Hans van Turnhout · February 1st, 2003, 07:11 AM

Thanks for the input.

I have done some additional reading and I think that I'm beginning to understand. It seems as Vegas and Premiere uses different basis for the calculation. Vegas seems to use the a method including also the fraction of non-square pixels (702 + 54/59 non square 59/54 pixels per line) that fits in 768 square pixels per line whilst Premiere excludes the fraction. Although the figures differ the visable result might be the same?

Include links to what I have read in case anyone is interested.

http://geocities.com/wunder01au/widescreen.html

and

http://www.mir.com/DMG/aspect.html

Bill Ravens · February 1st, 2003, 09:08 AM

the easiest way to test the image is to record a perfect circle. When viewing the circle after rendering in the NLE, incorrect AR will result in the circle being distorted into an oval, sufficiently to be measured. Be aware than many, many video players, including Micro$oft Media Player, DO NOT convert aspect ratios correctly, nor do monitor screens that have been incorrectly set up.

This is a very thorny issue because of all the potential sources of distortion. Having gone thru this in detail, in the past, most problems come from the player or screen adjustments.

Joe Carney · February 2nd, 2003, 12:37 PM

Stephen, in addition to authorng DVDs you also have the option to turn 5.1 audio into AC3 format. As far as I know, there will not be a standalone AC3 plug-in for Vegas (like there is for Acid). it requires the DVD architect program.

January 29th, 2003, 05:55 PM	#16
Stephen Sobel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 408	Vegas 4 and DVD Architect question Does anyone know what specific features you will be able to get with DVD Architect that you won't get with Vegas 4 (other than the ability to burn DVDs)?

January 29th, 2003, 08:36 PM	#18
Eric Reynolds New Boot Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Springfield MO Posts: 24	Problem with VV3 - making mpeg2 for DVD will never happen at this rate. Okay. I have had this problem for days now, I asked on sonicfo. forums with no help. Maybe you guys can help... When I try to render as mpeg2 (because I will need to burn to dvd soon) it renders for about 2-3 minutes and then I get an error (error unknown)... this is a problem that others on the sonicfo. forums have yet nobody knows how to fix it. I am running out of time and need to get this thing turned into a mpeg2. dvd quality... Can you guys either: A. Tell me what is wrong with vegas. B. Tell me what I should do as far as programs other than vegas that can make good mpeg2s... some "how to's" would be fantastic if you recommend another program. I have never burned a dvd and could use all the help I can get.

January 30th, 2003, 03:13 AM	#19
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Eric, Download TMPGEnc from www.tmpgenc.net and output your final movie from VV to AVI. Then load this up in the encoder and select the correct DVD template. Hit encode and it should make you a compliant MPEG-2 file. You can try this out for 20 or 30 days. Authoring a DVD is a whole different game. I believe Nero can make a self-playing DVD-Video (just drop the file in), but I'm not sure. Haven't done authoring myself yet. Good luck __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 30th, 2003, 01:22 PM	#20
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	And TMPGEnc's quality was much better than the MPEG that Vegas could make, in my opinion. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

January 31st, 2003, 12:56 AM	#21
Dan Holly Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 336	reply to Tor Thanks Tor, I've had 2 problems that no one on these boards has had with VV 3.0. I was starting to get a complex......heh __________________ Dan Holly Anchorage, Alaska

January 29th, 2003, 08:07 PM	#17
David Mintzer Rextilleon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pleasantville, NY Posts: 520	Steve--its not burning DVDs--its an authoring program, entirely different then Vegas (an NLE) You author your DVD's---create chapters etc with ARchitect---dont confuse the two.

January 31st, 2003, 01:24 AM	#22
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	Vegas Video 3c is the current release, yet Dan, Are you using V V 3.0? If yours is a Vegas problem after all, an upgrade to 3 c might help. That is a free download for anyone with a valid 3.0 ownership. There won't be a 3 d, but 4.0 is just around the corner. That will get rid of your complexes (but not your complexion - due to its powerfur colour correction tools - ha ha).

January 31st, 2003, 02:16 AM	#23
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	Here's the DVD Architect product info: http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/dvda-feat.asp and here's the forum: http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowTopics.asp?ForumID=22

January 31st, 2003, 02:39 AM	#24
Dan Measel Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 196	How do I improve text appearance in VV3? I've noticed that when I use moving texts in my projects on Vegas Video there are horizontal kind of pixelated lines in the text. I don't know if I am explaining the way the text looks well, but I would prefer more homogeneous smooth appearing moving texts. I am rendering as mpeg2 and I think my settings are just the default ones. Am I doing something wrong or is that just the way they look? Does anyone use a text generator plug-in to achieve better results? Thanks

January 31st, 2003, 04:01 AM	#25
Hans van Turnhout Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 70	Widescreen AR in Vegas different than in Premiere? I have downloaded and started to play with the Vegas demo (I have no previous experience from Vegas). The PAL DV widescreen aspect ratio in Vegas is stated as 1.4568. In Premiere the aspect ratio is stated as 1.422 and in EasyChanger as 0.7031 (which is the the same as the inverted value ratio stated in Premiere). Is there anyone that can shed some light on this issue? As I understand either Vegas or Premiere have/states the wrong AR. I have captured Widescreen DV (from a Sony PDX10P which is stated to record "true" widescreen without being a native 16:9 CCD) and edited in Premiere and in Vegas. Since I've only encoded a short clip (about 1 minute) and I can't view the clips side by side it's hard to tell which gives the most accurate result. However, in Vegas as well as in Premiere it seems as part of the picture is "over the top and under the bottom" (Canopus watermark partly hidden). Could this latter be due to overscan and is it something that I have to live with or could it be that I use the wrong template? In Vegas I have tried output to PAL DV Widescreen (no watermark which might be due to "none watermarked" codec) and Canopus and MainConcept (resulted in watermark). Any input is highly appreciated. Hans

January 31st, 2003, 08:01 AM	#26
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I suspect Premiere is correct since they have the product longer and also because it is the same value of that other product (inverted).... but ofcourse I might be wrong __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 31st, 2003, 07:18 PM	#27
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	1.45 or 1.42 ?? for normal ntsc some use .9 others .9091 you can make it whatever you like in V .. so if you want to use the premiere 1.42 ... in V window FILE / Properties ... now in the pixel aspect choose PAL widescreen THEN change the 1.45xx to 1.42 ... this will change the preview window so a clip with aspect of 1.42 will fill it ( no bars on sides) to make sure your clip has the same pixel aspect ( in V only) so you don't have black bars on sides go to media pool - right click on clip - PROPERTIES .. again change the pixel aspect to pal widescreen then change the 1.45 to 1.42 NOTE that many of these hand size camera's do NOT fill the whole frame from side to side ... so you might not be able to get rid of the black on each side

February 1st, 2003, 07:11 AM	#28
Hans van Turnhout Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 70	Thanks for the input. I have done some additional reading and I think that I'm beginning to understand. It seems as Vegas and Premiere uses different basis for the calculation. Vegas seems to use the a method including also the fraction of non-square pixels (702 + 54/59 non square 59/54 pixels per line) that fits in 768 square pixels per line whilst Premiere excludes the fraction. Although the figures differ the visable result might be the same? Include links to what I have read in case anyone is interested. http://geocities.com/wunder01au/widescreen.html and http://www.mir.com/DMG/aspect.html

February 1st, 2003, 09:08 AM	#29
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	the easiest way to test the image is to record a perfect circle. When viewing the circle after rendering in the NLE, incorrect AR will result in the circle being distorted into an oval, sufficiently to be measured. Be aware than many, many video players, including Micro$oft Media Player, DO NOT convert aspect ratios correctly, nor do monitor screens that have been incorrectly set up. This is a very thorny issue because of all the potential sources of distortion. Having gone thru this in detail, in the past, most problems come from the player or screen adjustments.

February 2nd, 2003, 12:37 PM	#30
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Stephen, in addition to authorng DVDs you also have the option to turn 5.1 audio into AC3 format. As far as I know, there will not be a standalone AC3 plug-in for Vegas (like there is for Acid). it requires the DVD architect program.