Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Edward Troxel · December 29th, 2003, 10:45 PM

Is it possible the scene selection menu is putting you over the limit? If it doesn't want to reencode without the scene selection menu, it obviously thinks it is encoded properly for DVD. The only other reason I know of is that it's too big. You said your main menu had a motion background an music. It *could* be that the second menu is just pushing it over the limit.

Michael Wisniewski · December 30th, 2003, 01:49 AM

Some fun with Vegas

Glen Elliott · December 30th, 2003, 07:04 AM

To solve this problem I re-encoded the main peice at the *default* perameters set by the DVD Architect template. I believe it's variable bit-rate (high-8mb, average 6, low 1.8) is this ok? Will it make static shots like black backgrounds with a white logo look bad beings it isn't in motion thus causing it to render with less of a bit-rate? I rendered a short sceen a while back using the default perameters and it looked fine- I just figured I'd ask about the static text etc. As always thanks for your help!

Edward Troxel · December 30th, 2003, 08:50 AM

That should be fine. I always use VBR with a high of 8,000,000, low of either 2,000,000 or 192,000 (depends on which template I use), and vary the average depending on length which I use at 6,000,000 or less.

Static text will be rendered at a really LOW bitrate because nothing is changing. Action scenes need a really HIGH bitrate.

Glen Elliott · December 30th, 2003, 09:59 AM

I was just worried that the text would use such a low bitrate it would affect the look of it, adding aliasing to the edges.

Don Bloom · December 30th, 2003, 10:08 AM

Hi Edward,
I lost your email address so I figured this to be the best way to contact you.

As you know I use Vegas4 BUT I don't have DVDA and I am looking for a new DVD program. I figured that since I'm already using V4 I should at least think about using DVDA BUT I can't find it anywhere as a standalone. Any thoughts as to where I might be able to get DVDA or am I out of luck?
Thanks as always and Happy New Year,
Don B.

Edward Troxel · December 30th, 2003, 10:33 AM

Should not be a problem - especially with static text.

Edward Troxel · December 30th, 2003, 10:39 AM

DVDA is not available as a standalone. You have to "upgrade" from Vegas to Vegas+DVD. I'm not exactly sure of the price but believe it's around $300. Remember that the $300 also includes the AC-3 5.1 encoder which is priced at $280. So, you are effectively getting DVDA for $20.

Also, check your e-mail.

Mike Moncrief · December 30th, 2003, 05:56 PM

Hello,

Ok, getting back to doing a DVD, pretty simple one with a main menu which has 2 menu buttons..figured out how to have the button chnage colors when it is selected.. but here is a question.. When I get to the main menu, one of the buttons is always "selected" (the color has changed on it).. is there a way to not have one of the buttons selected, until I select it, and then see it change colors???

thanks,
mike m.

Edward Troxel · December 30th, 2003, 08:11 PM

No. The FIRST button will always be activated as soon as the menu appears. By first button, I mean the first one that was added (or the one that was made #1 by changing the order manually).

John Gaspain · December 31st, 2003, 06:22 AM

I want to use S-Spline Pro for enlargement, and to do that I need to be able to split up the 30 frames into 30 pics (png format)

Is there a script that will do this?

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=18110
more info here

Edward Troxel · December 31st, 2003, 08:09 AM

Yes there is. Go to the same web page where updates are downloaded from and get the vegasscripts.zip file. Inside this zip file is a script named RenderImageSequence.js which will save a series of stills. Click on "Vegas Sample Scripts" at this link:

http://www.mediasoftware.sonypicture...p2.asp?DID=447

Edward Troxel · December 31st, 2003, 08:11 AM

As a second alternative, many people use the frameserver software at http://www.debugmode.com to frameserve to VirtualDub and use it to save the actual frames as pictures.

Federico Dib · December 31st, 2003, 01:01 PM

So I went and shoot a Standup comedy show, and recorded sound from a mic.. and also recorded it directly from soundboard to a minidisc.
For a very stupid reason (the minidisc was lost) I decided to start editing only with the mic sound..
So I started editing and slicing, and cutting, and pasting and slicing more and made a 50 minutes show into a 10 minutes frenetic clip.

Now the minidisc has been found, and I want to put that sound in the clip.. Is there an easier way than trying to synch every slice by hand?..

I mean could I synch the whole file of minidisc captured sound with the the raw (unedited) clip, and then apply some sort of EDL to this?

The clip has way too many cuts to not try an alternative method for this.

Edward Troxel · December 31st, 2003, 02:01 PM

Sounds like a really difficult propsition. As you said, it would not be too difficult to sync the entire clip - however, the problem is syncing a bunch of little clips.

Here's a possibility: sync the MD with the original clip. Now render the MD audio out to a new file so it is EXACTLY the same length as the video AND starts at EXACTLY the same point in time.

In the edit-details screen, it will show you the offset for each clip. You would need to duplicate this with the new audio file. Can't guarantee anything but it "might" work. Alternately, you could try writing a script to adjust the offset of the new audio to match the offset of the associated video for each segment.

December 30th, 2003, 01:49 AM	#1787
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Star Wars Effect Some fun with Vegas __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

December 30th, 2003, 10:08 AM	#1791
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	For Edward T. Hi Edward, I lost your email address so I figured this to be the best way to contact you. As you know I use Vegas4 BUT I don't have DVDA and I am looking for a new DVD program. I figured that since I'm already using V4 I should at least think about using DVDA BUT I can't find it anywhere as a standalone. Any thoughts as to where I might be able to get DVDA or am I out of luck? Thanks as always and Happy New Year, Don B.

December 30th, 2003, 05:56 PM	#1794
Mike Moncrief Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: orlando florida Posts: 426	more on Architect Hello, Ok, getting back to doing a DVD, pretty simple one with a main menu which has 2 menu buttons..figured out how to have the button chnage colors when it is selected.. but here is a question.. When I get to the main menu, one of the buttons is always "selected" (the color has changed on it).. is there a way to not have one of the buttons selected, until I select it, and then see it change colors??? thanks, mike m. __________________ Mike Moncrief mikemoncrief@gmail.com www.themikemoncrief.com

December 31st, 2003, 06:22 AM	#1796
John Gaspain Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: WA-USA Posts: 371	How do I split up the clip into frames(.png) for S-Spline Pro? I want to use S-Spline Pro for enlargement, and to do that I need to be able to split up the 30 frames into 30 pics (png format) Is there a script that will do this? http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=18110 more info here __________________ The glory of the World passes by.

December 31st, 2003, 01:01 PM	#1799
Federico Dib Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 312	How to synch sound of a MiniDisc to an allready Edited video So I went and shoot a Standup comedy show, and recorded sound from a mic.. and also recorded it directly from soundboard to a minidisc. For a very stupid reason (the minidisc was lost) I decided to start editing only with the mic sound.. So I started editing and slicing, and cutting, and pasting and slicing more and made a 50 minutes show into a 10 minutes frenetic clip. Now the minidisc has been found, and I want to put that sound in the clip.. Is there an easier way than trying to synch every slice by hand?.. I mean could I synch the whole file of minidisc captured sound with the the raw (unedited) clip, and then apply some sort of EDL to this? The clip has way too many cuts to not try an alternative method for this. __________________ Messenger Boy : The Thessalonian you're fighting, he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him. Achilles : That is why no one will remember your name.

December 29th, 2003, 10:45 PM	#1786
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Is it possible the scene selection menu is putting you over the limit? If it doesn't want to reencode without the scene selection menu, it obviously thinks it is encoded properly for DVD. The only other reason I know of is that it's too big. You said your main menu had a motion background an music. It could be that the second menu is just pushing it over the limit.

December 30th, 2003, 07:04 AM	#1788
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	To solve this problem I re-encoded the main peice at the default perameters set by the DVD Architect template. I believe it's variable bit-rate (high-8mb, average 6, low 1.8) is this ok? Will it make static shots like black backgrounds with a white logo look bad beings it isn't in motion thus causing it to render with less of a bit-rate? I rendered a short sceen a while back using the default perameters and it looked fine- I just figured I'd ask about the static text etc. As always thanks for your help!

December 30th, 2003, 08:50 AM	#1789
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	That should be fine. I always use VBR with a high of 8,000,000, low of either 2,000,000 or 192,000 (depends on which template I use), and vary the average depending on length which I use at 6,000,000 or less. Static text will be rendered at a really LOW bitrate because nothing is changing. Action scenes need a really HIGH bitrate.

December 30th, 2003, 09:59 AM	#1790
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	I was just worried that the text would use such a low bitrate it would affect the look of it, adding aliasing to the edges.

December 30th, 2003, 10:33 AM	#1792
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Should not be a problem - especially with static text.

December 30th, 2003, 10:39 AM	#1793
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	DVDA is not available as a standalone. You have to "upgrade" from Vegas to Vegas+DVD. I'm not exactly sure of the price but believe it's around $300. Remember that the $300 also includes the AC-3 5.1 encoder which is priced at $280. So, you are effectively getting DVDA for $20. Also, check your e-mail.

December 30th, 2003, 08:11 PM	#1795
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	No. The FIRST button will always be activated as soon as the menu appears. By first button, I mean the first one that was added (or the one that was made #1 by changing the order manually).

December 31st, 2003, 08:09 AM	#1797
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes there is. Go to the same web page where updates are downloaded from and get the vegasscripts.zip file. Inside this zip file is a script named RenderImageSequence.js which will save a series of stills. Click on "Vegas Sample Scripts" at this link: http://www.mediasoftware.sonypicture...p2.asp?DID=447

December 31st, 2003, 08:11 AM	#1798
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	As a second alternative, many people use the frameserver software at http://www.debugmode.com to frameserve to VirtualDub and use it to save the actual frames as pictures.

December 31st, 2003, 02:01 PM	#1800
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Sounds like a really difficult propsition. As you said, it would not be too difficult to sync the entire clip - however, the problem is syncing a bunch of little clips. Here's a possibility: sync the MD with the original clip. Now render the MD audio out to a new file so it is EXACTLY the same length as the video AND starts at EXACTLY the same point in time. In the edit-details screen, it will show you the offset for each clip. You would need to duplicate this with the new audio file. Can't guarantee anything but it "might" work. Alternately, you could try writing a script to adjust the offset of the new audio to match the offset of the associated video for each segment.