Any ex-Premiere Pro users here?

[Tracey Winning]

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

I have ordered the 2.0 upgrade to Premiere, and will be deciding my direction after I test that one out.

Yes.....I was all revved up for Vegas, but even after reading some of the manual.....I dont feel anymore in tune with it. Although, I will persist for another 2 weeks before making a decision on going with Vegas or PPro2.

I would be most interested to know how you get on with your testing.

Tracey

[John L Scott]

Well, my 30day trial is almost over... Still don't know if I want to invest another wad of money for another NLE. I don't know....

Hey Chris or Tracey! Did you decide yet???

[Chris Barcellos]

Originally Posted by John L Scott

Well, my 30day trial is almost over... Still don't know if I want to invest another wad of money for another NLE. I don't know....

Hey Chris or Tracey! Did you decide yet???

Yeah, John. With my upgrade of Premiere Pro 2.0, I'm able to get a clean edit in native HDV. When I was looking at anothe $ 400 to $600.00 on Vegas-- I am not going there now. I use Pemiere Pro 1.51 to captur in the Cineform intermediate codec, if I want to take advantage of any benefis of that format. After capuring in there, I can also edit it in Vegas Movie Studio if I think there are definite benefits. By the way, how did your camera issues work out?

[Tracey Winning]

Originally Posted by John L Scott

Well, my 30day trial is almost over... Still don't know if I want to invest another wad of money for another NLE. I don't know....

Hey Chris or Tracey! Did you decide yet???

Yes, I decided to go with Vegas....but because I wasnt 100% sure I only purchased Vegas M.Studio Platinum. I figure I will upgrade within the next 6 months to the full featured version. Everyone keeps saying how simple it is to use..... but for some reason, i find it incredibly confusing and messy, even with the built in tutorials which tell me all the things I do know ,but none of the basic things I NEED to know. (The trimmer window drives me crazy!)

Bottom line is though, i think its features and price make it great value in many ways. So I have just decided to commit to learning it. Iam hoping that once I get over that initial steep learning curve (its so different to premiere), that it will all have been worth it!!!

Tracey

[Chris Barcellos]

Originally Posted by Tracey Winning

Yes, I decided to go with Vegas....but because I wasnt 100% sure I only purchased Vegas M.Studio Platinum. I figure I will upgrade within the next 6 months to the full featured version. Everyone keeps saying how simple it is to use..... but for some reason, i find it incredibly confusing and messy, even with the built in tutorials which tell me all the things I do know ,but none of the basic things I NEED to know. (The trimmer window drives me crazy!)

Bottom line is though, i think its features and price make it great value in many ways. So I have just decided to commit to learning it. Iam hoping that once I get over that initial steep learning curve (its so different to premiere), that it will all have been worth it!!!

Tracey

Tracey: Keep us posted. I have the same feeling about confusion and messiness... I'd like some idea how its gone in a month.

[Edward Troxel]

Originally Posted by Tracey Winning

Everyone keeps saying how simple it is to use..... but for some reason, i find it incredibly confusing and messy, even with the built in tutorials which tell me all the things I do know ,but none of the basic things I NEED to know. (The trimmer window drives me crazy!)

Tracey, I find it VERY logical in how it works. The great thing for me is that everything is treated equally no matter what kind of media it is. As for the trimmer, I very seldom use it. It has it's uses but for normal cutting I just drop the clip on the timeline and start trimming there.

Have you looked over the "Beginner's Corner" series in my newsletters? They may help.

[David Jimerson]

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

Yes, you can pre-render in Vegas. The biggest problem with Vegas pre-renders is that they're easy to "lose". However, you CAN pre-render.

THAT'S the truth. It's an area where Vegas can learn from Liquid.

[Tracey Winning]

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

Have you looked over the "Beginner's Corner" series in my newsletters? They may help.

Hi Edward,

I over the Beginner's Corner which is a great resource!!! However, I still cannot figure out 2 things in particular which is very frustrating.
1. The FX icon is often on clips that dont have any FX on them! I dont understand this.
2. I did decide to go experimenting on vegas yesterday and managed to apply effects to slowly rotate my entire film (upside down and around) as it plays. This was amusing for about 2 seconds! But now I want to delete this effect and can't recall how I even added this effect and how to delete it!!! I;ve looked all over the programme and the manual explanation was not detailed enough to be useful. I've clicked on the Fx icon which doesnt do anything except provide a big list of possible effects. (am I missing something here????)

Im sure there's a simple answer to this. The fx icon should be a simple thing and deleting an effect should be simple. Im sure it IS easy, once one understands it!!!!!!

If you or someone could shed a bit of detailed light on these 2 issues, I think it would solve quite a few of my vegas problems (of which many relate to this fx icon).

Any explanations would be most appreciated, as i really want to understand Vegas.

Thanks.

Tracey

[Mike Kujbida]

Originally Posted by Tracey Winning

Any explanations would be most appreciated, as i really want to understand Vegas.

I'll give it a shot and (hopefully) answer both questions simultaneously.
The biggest problem is that selecting FX on the timeline clip is only one of four ways to do this.
Since you're not seeing the green FX icon on the clip, but it still has an effect on it, there are three other possibilities.
The first is that you applied the FX to the clip while it was in the media pool. Try right-clicking on the clip there, select Media FX and, if the FX window comes up, remove it.
The second is that you applied it at the Track level. In the video track header, see if the Track FX icon is highlighted (i.e. green). If so, either click to bring up the FX box and delete it or right-click and select Bypass All or Delete All.
Finally, the FX can be applied as a Video Output FX. The icon for this is just above the Preview window and right next to the Preview on External Monitor icon. FX removal is the same as above.

Hopefully I've helped to clarify things here. Please let us know if this is still confusing you.

Mike

[Edward Troxel]

Tracey, if you see effects but you effect icon is not green on the event, I agree with Mike, it's either been applied to the track, media, or project. That's talked about in vol 1 #12 of the newsletter. You have to remove the effect from whereever you applied it.

As for rotating, I'm betting you either applied Pan/Crop or Track Motion to rotate it. Just go back to Pan/Crop or Track Motion and delete any keyframes there and reset the first keyframe. That should get you back to normal.

[John L Scott]

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

Yeah, John. With my upgrade of Premiere Pro 2.0, I'm able to get a clean edit in native HDV. When I was looking at anothe $ 400 to $600.00 on Vegas-- I am not going there now. I use Pemiere Pro 1.51 to captur in the Cineform intermediate codec, if I want to take advantage of any benefis of that format. After capuring in there, I can also edit it in Vegas Movie Studio if I think there are definite benefits. By the way, how did your camera issues work out?

I was kinda thinking the same direction. It's just to hard to teach an old dog like me new tricks.. Even though I am really a puppy in this venture ;)
As far as the camera goes. I took it back to the fella that worked on it the first time and he said it would be ready before I do the shoot on my sons wedding video... Well I went to pick it up the day before the shoot I was told they had to order more parts. (It kinda looked like he broke the part I seen putting it back together...) I told them this was probably going to cost me the video and walked out. Well I went and bought a little Sony DCR-HC21 to go with my Hi8 camjunk and made a video that was actually very good. That little HC21 is a package for it's size. I had about 2 hours to learn it and could have done so much better if I had my VX2K but... Videos will be videos ;) Anyway I went back to pick up the 2K and they didn't charge me a dime. I felt kinda bad and demanded to at least pay shipping and parts but he refused. I still feel bad cause the camera is perfect and I found out it only had 286 hours on the head too. Thanks for all your help, John

[Chris Barcellos]

Originally Posted by John L Scott

I was kinda thinking the same direction. It's just to hard to teach an old dog like me new tricks.. Even though I am really a puppy in this venture ;)
As far as the camera goes. I took it back to the fella that worked on it the first time and he said it would be ready before I do the shoot on my sons wedding video... Well I went to pick it up the day before the shoot I was told they had to order more parts. (It kinda looked like he broke the part I seen putting it back together...) I told them this was probably going to cost me the video and walked out. Well I went and bought a little Sony DCR-HC21 to go with my Hi8 camjunk and made a video that was actually very good. That little HC21 is a package for it's size. I had about 2 hours to learn it and could have done so much better if I had my VX2K but... Videos will be videos ;) Anyway I went back to pick up the 2K and they didn't charge me a dime. I felt kinda bad and demanded to at least pay shipping and parts but he refused. I still feel bad cause the camera is perfect and I found out it only had 286 hours on the head too. Thanks for all your help, John

John:

Glad things are working out with the VX. And as for the wedding video, they all say you can fix it in post... :)

[John L Scott]

Being a member of the best forum in the world -------------> Priceless!!!!!

[Tracey Winning]

Thanks Edward Troxel and Mike Kujbida!!! I actually ended up purchasing the 2 Vegas manuals(Vegas 6 revealed and Instant Vegas)...figured I needed all the help I could get. Have been filming for the last few months and now am just about to really get stuck into some serious editing!!
But I just wanted to say thanks for your help!!

Tracey

[Jaime Espiritu]

Originally Posted by Rick Steele

If you came from Premiere, what made you switch to Vegas?

I've been a Premiere user since v4.2

Adobe has been rising prices on each upgrade and I've just bought the B&H special for Vegas 6.

I'll keep everyone posted on my journey in learning Vegas...

I've seen all the rave reviews in Vegas so I thought I would take a chance in seeing what everyone is talking about....