Using files captured with FCP in Vegas 6. at DVinfo.net

Jean-Philippe Archibald · October 23rd, 2005, 10:37 AM

Hi, I have some files captured with FCP sitting on a Lacie drive. I want to edit them in Vegas. I though that all DV files had the same structure, so I added the .avi extension (fcp files don't have extension at all) and vegas is now able to read them. However, it seem to have to do some sort of decompression to play them. Usually, when I put a file on the timeline without any effect, or in the trimmer, I can play it in realtime. With the FCP file, I have a lot of "stuttering", like playing at 10 fps or less...

When I open the same file in WMP, the video play smooth as expected.

Is there a way to edit these files in vegas? Or should I recapture the files using the Vegas or microsoft DV codec?

Greg Boston · October 23rd, 2005, 10:41 AM

Try giving the FCP files a .MOV extension and see if Vegas will recognize them that way. If so, it should help since AVI files are Audio Video Interleave and MOV files don't have the audio and video interleaved.

-gb-

Jean-Philippe Archibald · October 23rd, 2005, 10:45 AM

Thanks for the quick reply Greg,

But I already tryed the .mov extension and the result is exactly the same as with the .avi .

By the way, I am not sure to understand correctly what you mean by audio and video interleaved, but the audio seem to be present IN the file, either in its .avi or .mov form.

Jean-Philippe Archibald · October 24th, 2005, 05:59 AM

So? Nobody have any idea? Perhaps I should post my question in the FCP forum as well?

Edward Troxel · October 24th, 2005, 07:35 AM

On method that should ALWAYS work:

Do a Print To Tape in FCP. Capture the tape in Vegas.

Greg Boston · October 24th, 2005, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

On method that should ALWAYS work:

Do a Print To Tape in FCP. Capture the tape in Vegas.

Doh(slaps forehead)! It was just too simple to think of. Great idea, Ed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean-Philippe Archibald

By the way, I am not sure to understand correctly what you mean by audio and video interleaved, but the audio seem to be present IN the file, either in its .avi or .mov form.

That's what AVI stands for. The audio and video streams are interleaved with each other in the file structure. With .MOV they are separate from each other.

-gb-

Douglas Spotted Eagle · October 24th, 2005, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston

Doh(slaps forehead)! It was just too simple to think of. Great idea, Ed.

That's what AVI stands for. The audio and video streams are interleaved with each other in the file structure. With .MOV they are separate from each other.

-gb-

AVI type 1 are interleaved, AVI type 2 are not interleaved. (although technically they are, but by definition, they're not)

Glenn Chan · October 24th, 2005, 02:33 PM

Quicktime seems to be slower in Vegas than AVI.

Maybe export an XML, a EDL and a ?AAF? file from Final Cut and see if Vegas will take that so you have timecodes to batch capture from.

Edward does have a good suggestion with printing to tape. EDL, XML, AAF all have a tendency of not working.

Jean-Philippe Archibald · October 24th, 2005, 07:18 PM

Thank you for your suggestions, I will most likely recapture the files with Vegas (does sony plan to support some EDL format in the future like FCP?).

Now I know that DV in MOV and AVI aren't the same :)

Mike Kujbida · October 25th, 2005, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean-Philippe Archibald

does sony plan to support some EDL format in the future like FCP?

It would seem that you can already do this.
A user on another Vegas forum said, when asked about FCP EDLs:
" I've done it before with a 5-minute program with a lot of complicated cuts and effects.
You can output an EDL which Vegas can import....you just lose effects. Fortunately applying effects in Vegas takes a fraction of the time it does in FCP, so rebuilding the whole thing shouldn't be very difficult."

Mike

October 23rd, 2005, 10:37 AM	#1
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	Using files captured with FCP in Vegas 6. Hi, I have some files captured with FCP sitting on a Lacie drive. I want to edit them in Vegas. I though that all DV files had the same structure, so I added the .avi extension (fcp files don't have extension at all) and vegas is now able to read them. However, it seem to have to do some sort of decompression to play them. Usually, when I put a file on the timeline without any effect, or in the trimmer, I can play it in realtime. With the FCP file, I have a lot of "stuttering", like playing at 10 fps or less... When I open the same file in WMP, the video play smooth as expected. Is there a way to edit these files in vegas? Or should I recapture the files using the Vegas or microsoft DV codec? __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

October 23rd, 2005, 10:45 AM	#3
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	Thanks for the quick reply Greg, But I already tryed the .mov extension and the result is exactly the same as with the .avi . By the way, I am not sure to understand correctly what you mean by audio and video interleaved, but the audio seem to be present IN the file, either in its .avi or .mov form. __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

October 24th, 2005, 05:59 AM	#4
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	So? Nobody have any idea? Perhaps I should post my question in the FCP forum as well? __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

October 24th, 2005, 07:35 AM	#5
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	On method that should ALWAYS work: Do a Print To Tape in FCP. Capture the tape in Vegas. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 24th, 2005, 07:18 PM	#9
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	Thank you for your suggestions, I will most likely recapture the files with Vegas (does sony plan to support some EDL format in the future like FCP?). Now I know that DV in MOV and AVI aren't the same :) __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

October 23rd, 2005, 10:41 AM	#2
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Try giving the FCP files a .MOV extension and see if Vegas will recognize them that way. If so, it should help since AVI files are Audio Video Interleave and MOV files don't have the audio and video interleaved. -gb-

October 24th, 2005, 02:33 PM	#8
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Quicktime seems to be slower in Vegas than AVI. Maybe export an XML, a EDL and a ?AAF? file from Final Cut and see if Vegas will take that so you have timecodes to batch capture from. Edward does have a good suggestion with printing to tape. EDL, XML, AAF all have a tendency of not working.