Which order FX? at DVinfo.net

Art Willig · June 13th, 2014, 05:59 PM

Is there any correct order to put these overall effects in...or if it matters for some reason?
The source is DV-AVI 720x480
Internet size: 320x240mp4

Color Balance
Color Corrector
Sharpen
Cookie Cutter
Brightness/Contrast

Thanks

Seth Bloombaum · June 14th, 2014, 10:55 AM

In a typical workflow you would correct first, then grade and sharpen at the last, but that's more of an editing efficiency issue and it seems like you're asking a different question.

There probably aren't any really bad choices, after all, if it looks good it is good, but I'm a little concerned about using B/C and Balance and CC. B/C used to be frowned upon by Vegas trainers, so many of us have never used it. Bad rep that may no longer be justified?

Regardless, all three of these filters can be reduced to one or two filters. If you haven't used Color Curves it is very worthwhile learning about. When you open it, it is set for RGB, which is where you would do basic brightness/contrast work. But there also is a lot of balancing power in the individual channel modes, where you can individually adjust R, G, and B.

Depending on what you're cutting, that might be all you need, or maybe the Color Corrector to finish off. The Corrector also has numerous controls that affect brightness/contrast. Some would never touch Curves if they are proficient with the Corrector.

Danny O'Neill · June 15th, 2014, 10:54 AM

Brightness first, colour stuff next finally sharpen

I prefer levels over brightness and contrast and colour curves over colour corrector

Art Willig · June 16th, 2014, 07:48 PM

Is there a non-video color curves tutorial you guys can recommend?
Thanks

Kim Olsson · June 28th, 2014, 11:59 AM

I read this tutorial once, its done in premiere... same workflow menality though...

TIP #3 – ORDER OF OPERATIONS
1. Remove artifacts and de-noise.
2. Balance your shots by adjusting BLACKS/MIDS/WHITES, SATURATION and WHITE BALANCE.
3. Relight within a shot using power windows or masks.
4. Add gradients, diffusion and other lens filters.
5. Add vignettes
6. Grade your images
7. Simulate a film stock of your choice
8. Resize and sharpen

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7 Tips for HD Color Correction and DSLR Color Correction | Hurlbut Visuals

June 13th, 2014, 05:59 PM	#1
Art Willig Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 104	Which order FX? Is there any correct order to put these overall effects in...or if it matters for some reason? The source is DV-AVI 720x480 Internet size: 320x240mp4 Color Balance Color Corrector Sharpen Cookie Cutter Brightness/Contrast Thanks __________________ "Shoot first and ask questions later" Last edited by Art Willig; June 13th, 2014 at 09:10 PM.

June 14th, 2014, 10:55 AM	#2
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Re: Which order FX? In a typical workflow you would correct first, then grade and sharpen at the last, but that's more of an editing efficiency issue and it seems like you're asking a different question. There probably aren't any really bad choices, after all, if it looks good it is good, but I'm a little concerned about using B/C and Balance and CC. B/C used to be frowned upon by Vegas trainers, so many of us have never used it. Bad rep that may no longer be justified? Regardless, all three of these filters can be reduced to one or two filters. If you haven't used Color Curves it is very worthwhile learning about. When you open it, it is set for RGB, which is where you would do basic brightness/contrast work. But there also is a lot of balancing power in the individual channel modes, where you can individually adjust R, G, and B. Depending on what you're cutting, that might be all you need, or maybe the Color Corrector to finish off. The Corrector also has numerous controls that affect brightness/contrast. Some would never touch Curves if they are proficient with the Corrector. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

June 16th, 2014, 07:48 PM	#4
Art Willig Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 104	Re: Which order FX? Is there a non-video color curves tutorial you guys can recommend? Thanks __________________ "Shoot first and ask questions later"

June 28th, 2014, 11:59 AM	#5
Kim Olsson Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 263	Re: Which order FX? I read this tutorial once, its done in premiere... same workflow menality though... TIP #3 – ORDER OF OPERATIONS 1. Remove artifacts and de-noise. 2. Balance your shots by adjusting BLACKS/MIDS/WHITES, SATURATION and WHITE BALANCE. 3. Relight within a shot using power windows or masks. 4. Add gradients, diffusion and other lens filters. 5. Add vignettes 6. Grade your images 7. Simulate a film stock of your choice 8. Resize and sharpen Whole text: 7 Tips for HD Color Correction and DSLR Color Correction \| Hurlbut Visuals

June 15th, 2014, 10:54 AM	#3
Danny O'Neill Major Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: Northampton, UK Posts: 915	Re: Which order FX? Brightness first, colour stuff next finally sharpen I prefer levels over brightness and contrast and colour curves over colour corrector __________________ mintyslippers.com