Pro 13 press announcement

Jim Snow · April 7th, 2014, 09:59 PM

I like Vegas very much and have used it for a long time but I have them on a short leash now. I have grown very weary of the virtually guaranteed crashes with h264 renders. It occurs with both the Sony and Main Concepts encoders in Vegas. My current work flow when I need to render h264 files is to render Cineform files and then use these to render the h264 files in Adobe Media Encoder where it works fine on the same computers! I have a fast i7 desktop and an i7 notebook computer. All the good-speak about Sony listening and responding to customer problems doesn't mean much to me because I have seen no result. I have submitted crash reports many times - for what!?

I really don't want to hear any lip smack about my computer or nVidea video cards. That's just evasive double speak as far as I'm concerned. The h264 renders work with no problems on both my computers when I use Adobe Media Encoder. That just about says it all doesn't it.

As for me, Sony has two months to fix this once and for all. I already have an Adobe Creative Cloud subscription for some of the other applications in the suite. If this isn't resolved within the next two months I am going to switch to Premiere Pro and never look back.

Marco Ba · April 8th, 2014, 02:21 AM

Bill, which Vegas version do you use and where does these DNGs come from?

Bill LiPera · April 8th, 2014, 04:53 AM

I'm using Vegas pro 12 version 770. The DNG's come from CD 7Q monitor/ recorder. Thanks

Edward Troxel · April 8th, 2014, 06:28 AM

Adam, that would only apply to Titler Pro. The other effects packages would work fine with your video card.

Without knowing what video card/driver you have, I don't know whether you can run Titler Pro. Here's the minimum specs for Titler Pro but the other products (such as the Video Essentials packages) have lower needs.

nVidia GeForce or Quadro card that supports CUDA with driver 285.62 or newer,
AMD/ATI Radeon HD 2400 or better with Catalyst 11.11 or newer,
Intel HD is not supported.

Marco Ba · April 8th, 2014, 10:34 AM

"The DNG's come from CD 7Q monitor/ recorder."

Never had a DNG from this particular device available. Any source to download such a sample DNG?

Bill LiPera · April 8th, 2014, 11:46 AM

Sure. Download the 2k file. Use this link :
Odyssey7Q | Sony FS700 Raw Option

Thanks

Marco Ba · April 8th, 2014, 12:11 PM

I downloaded the file "2K240SampleFrame.zip" from this source and imported the DNG namend "CLIP0000208_0000000.dng" into Vegas Pro 12.
This works fine and I see in Vegas Pro the file is decoded by the Adobe DNG decoder.

Not sure what goes wrong on your system. Maybe additionally (to Adobe DNG) the Microsoft Raw Codec Pack must be installed.

Adam Stanislav · April 8th, 2014, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

Without knowing what video card/driver you have, I don't know whether you can run Titler Pro.

Well, my previous computer died and, being short on cash, I bought an ASUS laptop with built-in Intel HD (so there is nothing I can do about it). No CUDA, but I have the Intel OpenCL driver. Vegas uses my OpenCL driver just fine. This is frustrating because I like what the plug-in does, or did on my old computer.

Edward Troxel · April 8th, 2014, 02:32 PM

Yes, the Intel HD cards are not supported by Titler Pro.

Bill LiPera · April 8th, 2014, 03:12 PM

In re to Marco Ba's suggestion I'll give it a try. Thank you

Nicholas de Kock · April 8th, 2014, 03:50 PM

Jim I agree with you my work around is also to render to Cineform then let Adobe Media Encoder do the rest. As much as I've tried to switch to Premiere Pro, Vegas still wins on speed and edit satisfaction as long as you have a good work around.

Tom Bostick · April 8th, 2014, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Snow

I like Vegas very much and have used it for a long time but I have them on a short leash now. I have grown very weary of the virtually guaranteed crashes with h264 renders. It occurs with both the Sony and Main Concepts encoders in Vegas. My current work flow when I need to render h264 files is to render Cineform files and then use these to render the h264 files in Adobe Media Encoder where it works fine on the same computers! I have a fast i7 desktop and an i7 notebook computer. All the good-speak about Sony listening and responding to customer problems doesn't mean much to me because I have seen no result. I have submitted crash reports many times - for what!?

I really don't want to hear any lip smack about my computer or nVidea video cards. That's just evasive double speak as far as I'm concerned. The h264 renders work with no problems on both my computers when I use Adobe Media Encoder. That just about says it all doesn't it.

As for me, Sony has two months to fix this once and for all. I already have an Adobe Creative Cloud subscription for some of the other applications in the suite. If this isn't resolved within the next two months I am going to switch to Premiere Pro and never look back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicholas de Kock

Jim I agree with you my work around is also to render to Cineform then let Adobe Media Encoder do the rest. As much as I've tried to switch to Premiere Pro, Vegas still wins on speed and edit satisfaction as long as you have a good work around.

Glad to know im not the only one, who has to use this workaround.

The program does not actually crash for me when trying to render h.264 files. it just says failed to render.

The sad thing is i dont even have to do this on an older machine running vegas 10.

David Johns · April 10th, 2014, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Snow

I have grown very weary of the virtually guaranteed crashes with h264 renders.

I can thoroughly recommend turning OFF GPU accceleration for renders. I know you shouldn't have to since it's supposed to be a key feature of recent releases but IMHE it's the one thing that causes crashes.

GPU off = stable Vegas Pro 12.

Regards
Dave

Jeff Harper · April 10th, 2014, 10:32 AM

Yes, David is absolutley correct. If you have GPU accleration turned on and you're having crashes you must turn it off.

Jim Snow · April 10th, 2014, 11:32 AM

I do turn off GPU rendering but it still crashes, only less so. This still is a problem however. I waste a great deal of time (read money) on this. Does anyone have any good explanations for the fact that I have no problem on either of my computers with Adobe Media Encoder with GPU encoding enabled? I just wish Sony would own up to the problem and fix it.

T minus seven weeks.

April 7th, 2014, 09:59 PM	#16
Jim Snow Trustee Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 1,104	Re: Pro 13 press announcement I like Vegas very much and have used it for a long time but I have them on a short leash now. I have grown very weary of the virtually guaranteed crashes with h264 renders. It occurs with both the Sony and Main Concepts encoders in Vegas. My current work flow when I need to render h264 files is to render Cineform files and then use these to render the h264 files in Adobe Media Encoder where it works fine on the same computers! I have a fast i7 desktop and an i7 notebook computer. All the good-speak about Sony listening and responding to customer problems doesn't mean much to me because I have seen no result. I have submitted crash reports many times - for what!? I really don't want to hear any lip smack about my computer or nVidea video cards. That's just evasive double speak as far as I'm concerned. The h264 renders work with no problems on both my computers when I use Adobe Media Encoder. That just about says it all doesn't it. As for me, Sony has two months to fix this once and for all. I already have an Adobe Creative Cloud subscription for some of the other applications in the suite. If this isn't resolved within the next two months I am going to switch to Premiere Pro and never look back.

April 8th, 2014, 02:21 AM	#17
Marco Ba Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 93	Re: Pro 13 press announcement Bill, which Vegas version do you use and where does these DNGs come from?

April 8th, 2014, 04:53 AM	#18
Bill LiPera Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: St. James New York Posts: 27	Re: Pro 13 press announcement I'm using Vegas pro 12 version 770. The DNG's come from CD 7Q monitor/ recorder. Thanks

April 8th, 2014, 06:28 AM	#19
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Pro 13 press announcement Adam, that would only apply to Titler Pro. The other effects packages would work fine with your video card. Without knowing what video card/driver you have, I don't know whether you can run Titler Pro. Here's the minimum specs for Titler Pro but the other products (such as the Video Essentials packages) have lower needs. nVidia GeForce or Quadro card that supports CUDA with driver 285.62 or newer, AMD/ATI Radeon HD 2400 or better with Catalyst 11.11 or newer, Intel HD is not supported. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 8th, 2014, 10:34 AM	#20
Marco Ba Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 93	Re: Pro 13 press announcement "The DNG's come from CD 7Q monitor/ recorder." Never had a DNG from this particular device available. Any source to download such a sample DNG?

April 8th, 2014, 11:46 AM	#21
Bill LiPera Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: St. James New York Posts: 27	Re: Pro 13 press announcement Sure. Download the 2k file. Use this link : Odyssey7Q \| Sony FS700 Raw Option Thanks

April 8th, 2014, 12:11 PM	#22
Marco Ba Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 93	Re: Pro 13 press announcement I downloaded the file "2K240SampleFrame.zip" from this source and imported the DNG namend "CLIP0000208_0000000.dng" into Vegas Pro 12. This works fine and I see in Vegas Pro the file is decoded by the Adobe DNG decoder. Not sure what goes wrong on your system. Maybe additionally (to Adobe DNG) the Microsoft Raw Codec Pack must be installed.

April 8th, 2014, 02:32 PM	#24
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Pro 13 press announcement Yes, the Intel HD cards are not supported by Titler Pro. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 8th, 2014, 03:12 PM	#25
Bill LiPera Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: St. James New York Posts: 27	Re: Pro 13 press announcement In re to Marco Ba's suggestion I'll give it a try. Thank you

April 8th, 2014, 03:50 PM	#26
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	Re: Pro 13 press announcement Jim I agree with you my work around is also to render to Cineform then let Adobe Media Encoder do the rest. As much as I've tried to switch to Premiere Pro, Vegas still wins on speed and edit satisfaction as long as you have a good work around.

April 10th, 2014, 10:32 AM	#29
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Pro 13 press announcement Yes, David is absolutley correct. If you have GPU accleration turned on and you're having crashes you must turn it off. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

April 10th, 2014, 11:32 AM	#30
Jim Snow Trustee Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 1,104	Re: Pro 13 press announcement I do turn off GPU rendering but it still crashes, only less so. This still is a problem however. I waste a great deal of time (read money) on this. Does anyone have any good explanations for the fact that I have no problem on either of my computers with Adobe Media Encoder with GPU encoding enabled? I just wish Sony would own up to the problem and fix it. T minus seven weeks.