Vegas not performing well at DVinfo.net

Marius Boruch · June 16th, 2013, 09:50 AM

I just upgraded my comp to super fast six-core i7 3930K with 16GB RAM and GTX 470 RAID (approx 200MB/s R/W); it is auto tuned by Asus to 4100 MHz. It behaves very strange...when rendering in Vegas 10e cpu goes down to 126.4 BCLK x 14-20 which translates to max 2528MHz!!!! It is a FEW times slower than my lenovo W520 (with Quadro 1000M) using Vegas Movie Studio rendering same files. In terms of CUDA cores both systems are similar (maybe GTX470 has even more CUDA). I rendered MJPEG files to MainConcept MP4 and it was just a few frames per second. When switched to Somy MP4 pre-set it was faster but still much slower then on laptop. What is going on?
Any thoughts?

Jeff Harper · June 16th, 2013, 11:54 AM

Turn off all overclocking, then see what happens. If that doesn't help, move your video files to a different hard drive, see if that helps. Turn off all GPU accleration.

Marius Boruch · June 16th, 2013, 11:55 AM

It is same with or without OC; hard drive is 200MB/s faster is only SSD; how to turn off GPU acceleration in V10e?

Jeff Harper · June 16th, 2013, 12:00 PM

Preferences...does movie studio have GPU acceleration? Not sure...it might not.

Marius Boruch · June 16th, 2013, 12:03 PM

I am using Vegas 10e; (movie studio - which works faster - is on y laptop)

Kim Olsson · June 16th, 2013, 02:17 PM

Do not use asus autotune for OC...
Asus will change the BCLK. That will OC the whole system of yours like hard drives, RAM and PCI-E slots... Can be dangerous if you dont know what your doing...
Use the multipler with Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge... Thats really easy to do. In BIOS, go from the original (3.2GHz) to lets say 3.8GHz, specially if you dont got an third party cooler for your CPU...

And what do you mean with this: "and GTX 470 RAID (approx 200MB/s R/W)"

Do you mean you have one GPU (GTX 470) and you harddrive is in raid doing 200mb/s ??

Check if all cores/threads is being used when rendering....

Be sure that Windows power options is at full (no saving options on CPU maximum).

Marius Boruch · June 16th, 2013, 03:07 PM

Do you mean you have one GPU (GTX 470) and you harddrive is in raid doing 200mb/s ?? _ yes

so shall I use manual OC and choose higher bclk keeping the multiplier to 33?

it is strange - when I start rendering in first few seconds system renders fast at full speed and then after few seconds thought that it slows down keeping bclk same but lowering multiplier. I thought it is related to cpu temp (70C) so system will slow down trying not to overheat cpu but when I increased cpu temp limit to 88c it does the same at 70C. (that heppens regardless if I choose cpu for render or cuda)
any suggestions

Marius Boruch · June 16th, 2013, 03:41 PM

I did it manually; 100x40 - it was rendering holding it for a few minutes and after that it is fluctuating again (going down to 100x31).....

Jeff Harper · June 16th, 2013, 03:47 PM

You need to get your system stable first, get Vegas running right. Overclocking is the last thing you should do with a new computer, not the first.

Go back to stock values, DO NOT OVERCLOCK AT ALL until first you know your computer is running right.

Everything should be perfect on your computer before overclocking.

Is your RAM speed set correctly for your RAM? You need to get the basics down before overclocking. If you do not know anything about overclocking you should NOT overclock until you go online and read up on it first.

Marius Boruch · June 16th, 2013, 03:58 PM

Jeff and Kim,
you are right I agree with OC and great point by Kim about frequency for PCI devices. I will go back to basics.
What I am trying to find out is why system is slowing down when rendering with Vegas 10e - it starts ok and then slows down reducing multiplier sometimes to 20...
I played with memory settings for dynamic ram preview but it is still the same; hard drive is fast raid...it happens regardless if I choose cpu or cuda for render. any ideas?

Kim Olsson · June 16th, 2013, 05:45 PM

When cpu temp gets too high, it will lower clock speed by itself. You said you had 3930k, if you tries to overclock that cpu without a third party cooler, that will raise your temperatured to the roof! Stock cooler is already showing high temps without any overclocking. Think 3930k has a TJ max 105 celcius. But before that it will throttle itself down trying not to shutdown the computer..

OC with stock cooler from 4GHz is really a no no.. :\
Like Jeff said, render first without overclocking and try to solve your problems first

But it sounds you having to high temps on your cpu therefor it throttles down trying to avoid shutdown.

Download coretemp or realtemp or anything else..

Bruce Phung · June 16th, 2013, 09:26 PM

Check out this post here

Sony Creative Software - Forums - Vegas Pro - Video Messages

I don't know it help or not. But did you update the bios? Since I got my system working rock solid @4.6Ghz. SO I am gonna tell my first hand experience over view. My 3930K ran stock clock prime95 stable. I also did try auto tune and It got up to 4.3Ghz and prime95 stable but I don't like auto tune because it is down clocked my ram @1866mhz to like 13xxx something. So I did manual tune. I spent probably over 10hrs of tweaking it. I got a lot of crashed before I got mine running stable. So, you just need trying different thing to get it run stable.. Good luck.

You need to monitor the cpu.. Realtemp and CPU-Z to monitor the Core speed. When you load (prime95) and your cpu load 100% and if it gradually down clocking, then you need to shut down (kill prime95 and get back into the bios do more tweaking.

Marius Boruch · June 17th, 2013, 11:58 AM

Bruce,
What are your bclk and multiplier, ram frequency settings?

Bruce Phung · June 17th, 2013, 12:16 PM

My BCLK IS 100 mulitiply 46. I don't remember the other detail and I am not at the computer right now. I will post here for you tomorrow. I think your problem is mainly about your Vcore voltage is not good. Every chip run slightly different in voltage requirement.

Jeff Harper · June 17th, 2013, 01:02 PM

Marius, search for OC settings for your board on the net. You are overclocking without proper cooling, without knowledge of what you must do.

Your RAM speed, voltages, cpu speed, etc, affects each other. You should stop trying to overclock until you get a new fan. Your processor runs hot to begin with.

1. Go back to stock settings.
2. Get a new fan, research it and pick a good one.
3. Research OC settings for your board in the overclocking forums.
If you are new to overclocking, you must research it and learn the basics.

June 16th, 2013, 09:50 AM	#1
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Vegas not performing well I just upgraded my comp to super fast six-core i7 3930K with 16GB RAM and GTX 470 RAID (approx 200MB/s R/W); it is auto tuned by Asus to 4100 MHz. It behaves very strange...when rendering in Vegas 10e cpu goes down to 126.4 BCLK x 14-20 which translates to max 2528MHz!!!! It is a FEW times slower than my lenovo W520 (with Quadro 1000M) using Vegas Movie Studio rendering same files. In terms of CUDA cores both systems are similar (maybe GTX470 has even more CUDA). I rendered MJPEG files to MainConcept MP4 and it was just a few frames per second. When switched to Somy MP4 pre-set it was faster but still much slower then on laptop. What is going on? Any thoughts?

June 16th, 2013, 11:54 AM	#2
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Vegas not performing well Turn off all overclocking, then see what happens. If that doesn't help, move your video files to a different hard drive, see if that helps. Turn off all GPU accleration.

June 16th, 2013, 11:55 AM	#3
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Re: Vegas not performing well It is same with or without OC; hard drive is 200MB/s faster is only SSD; how to turn off GPU acceleration in V10e?

June 16th, 2013, 12:00 PM	#4
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Vegas not performing well Preferences...does movie studio have GPU acceleration? Not sure...it might not.

June 16th, 2013, 12:03 PM	#5
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Re: Vegas not performing well I am using Vegas 10e; (movie studio - which works faster - is on y laptop)

June 16th, 2013, 02:17 PM	#6
Kim Olsson Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 263	Re: Vegas not performing well Do not use asus autotune for OC... Asus will change the BCLK. That will OC the whole system of yours like hard drives, RAM and PCI-E slots... Can be dangerous if you dont know what your doing... Use the multipler with Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge... Thats really easy to do. In BIOS, go from the original (3.2GHz) to lets say 3.8GHz, specially if you dont got an third party cooler for your CPU... And what do you mean with this: "and GTX 470 RAID (approx 200MB/s R/W)" Do you mean you have one GPU (GTX 470) and you harddrive is in raid doing 200mb/s ?? Check if all cores/threads is being used when rendering.... Be sure that Windows power options is at full (no saving options on CPU maximum).

June 16th, 2013, 03:07 PM	#7
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Re: Vegas not performing well Do you mean you have one GPU (GTX 470) and you harddrive is in raid doing 200mb/s ?? _ yes so shall I use manual OC and choose higher bclk keeping the multiplier to 33? it is strange - when I start rendering in first few seconds system renders fast at full speed and then after few seconds thought that it slows down keeping bclk same but lowering multiplier. I thought it is related to cpu temp (70C) so system will slow down trying not to overheat cpu but when I increased cpu temp limit to 88c it does the same at 70C. (that heppens regardless if I choose cpu for render or cuda) any suggestions

June 16th, 2013, 03:41 PM	#8
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Re: Vegas not performing well I did it manually; 100x40 - it was rendering holding it for a few minutes and after that it is fluctuating again (going down to 100x31).....

June 16th, 2013, 03:47 PM	#9
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Vegas not performing well You need to get your system stable first, get Vegas running right. Overclocking is the last thing you should do with a new computer, not the first. Go back to stock values, DO NOT OVERCLOCK AT ALL until first you know your computer is running right. Everything should be perfect on your computer before overclocking. Is your RAM speed set correctly for your RAM? You need to get the basics down before overclocking. If you do not know anything about overclocking you should NOT overclock until you go online and read up on it first.

June 16th, 2013, 03:58 PM	#10
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Re: Vegas not performing well Jeff and Kim, you are right I agree with OC and great point by Kim about frequency for PCI devices. I will go back to basics. What I am trying to find out is why system is slowing down when rendering with Vegas 10e - it starts ok and then slows down reducing multiplier sometimes to 20... I played with memory settings for dynamic ram preview but it is still the same; hard drive is fast raid...it happens regardless if I choose cpu or cuda for render. any ideas?

June 16th, 2013, 05:45 PM	#11
Kim Olsson Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 263	Re: Vegas not performing well When cpu temp gets too high, it will lower clock speed by itself. You said you had 3930k, if you tries to overclock that cpu without a third party cooler, that will raise your temperatured to the roof! Stock cooler is already showing high temps without any overclocking. Think 3930k has a TJ max 105 celcius. But before that it will throttle itself down trying not to shutdown the computer.. OC with stock cooler from 4GHz is really a no no.. :\ Like Jeff said, render first without overclocking and try to solve your problems first But it sounds you having to high temps on your cpu therefor it throttles down trying to avoid shutdown. Download coretemp or realtemp or anything else..

June 16th, 2013, 09:26 PM	#12
Bruce Phung Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rochester,NY USA Posts: 285	Check out this post here Sony Creative Software - Forums - Vegas Pro - Video Messages I don't know it help or not. But did you update the bios? Since I got my system working rock solid @4.6Ghz. SO I am gonna tell my first hand experience over view. My 3930K ran stock clock prime95 stable. I also did try auto tune and It got up to 4.3Ghz and prime95 stable but I don't like auto tune because it is down clocked my ram @1866mhz to like 13xxx something. So I did manual tune. I spent probably over 10hrs of tweaking it. I got a lot of crashed before I got mine running stable. So, you just need trying different thing to get it run stable.. Good luck. You need to monitor the cpu.. Realtemp and CPU-Z to monitor the Core speed. When you load (prime95) and your cpu load 100% and if it gradually down clocking, then you need to shut down (kill prime95 and get back into the bios do more tweaking.

June 17th, 2013, 11:58 AM	#13
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Re: Vegas not performing well Bruce, What are your bclk and multiplier, ram frequency settings?

June 17th, 2013, 12:16 PM	#14
Bruce Phung Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rochester,NY USA Posts: 285	Re: Vegas not performing well My BCLK IS 100 mulitiply 46. I don't remember the other detail and I am not at the computer right now. I will post here for you tomorrow. I think your problem is mainly about your Vcore voltage is not good. Every chip run slightly different in voltage requirement.

June 17th, 2013, 01:02 PM	#15
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Vegas not performing well Marius, search for OC settings for your board on the net. You are overclocking without proper cooling, without knowledge of what you must do. Your RAM speed, voltages, cpu speed, etc, affects each other. You should stop trying to overclock until you get a new fan. Your processor runs hot to begin with. 1. Go back to stock settings. 2. Get a new fan, research it and pick a good one. 3. Research OC settings for your board in the overclocking forums. If you are new to overclocking, you must research it and learn the basics.