Render video CRASH problem!

Graham Bernard · March 24th, 2013, 03:34 AM

James? How are you doing with that?

G ?

James Manford · March 24th, 2013, 03:39 AM

Ok, after I

File > Open > One of the .mts files in my cameras folder

The project settings change to this automatically:

http://s4.postimg.org/3ktcr5vml/Untitled_1.jpg

James Manford · March 24th, 2013, 03:43 AM

Grazie

I just figured out what you said ... I clicked on the button the right handside in the project settings window and opened one of the .mts files.

Again, the settings changed to what I showed you in the screen dump.

Graham Bernard · March 24th, 2013, 03:51 AM

This is good!

So you now have your Project Settings matching your Media. Before your setting were 60i, Vegas was having to figure out all this plus your then render to 24p.

Now go ahead and do your rendering with a SMALL selection.

Question? Why are you rendering to 24p?

Cheers

Grazie

James Manford · March 24th, 2013, 03:55 AM

Thank you! It now renders flawlessly with the small selections. I will render the whole 40min project as well and see what happens.

I don't know why im rendering to 24p to be honest, it's just a template I took of a youtube video.

What is the best thing to render out to? the same frame rate as the initial source file or?

I will be throwing the rendered media from Sony vegas back in to another piece of software to create a DVD & Bluray with menu's as I normally do.

Graham Bernard · March 24th, 2013, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Manford

Thank you! It now renders flawlessly with the small selections. I will render the whole 40min project as well and see what happens.

Well that's great news. My thoughts is that you several steps that Vegas was attempting to do for you. I also noticed that you have the "Match Media to Render . . . ". With the 25p to 24p thing you are doing, try disengaging this. You maybe building up further "issues" down steam when you use that digital intermediate (DI) to create your "other" products. Yeah?

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Manford

I don't know why im rendering to 24p . . . What is the best thing to render out to? the same frame rate as the initial source file or?

Good question!! Getting the rendering process out of the way first is always my prime object - you can now see why! LOL!!

Alternatively you may consider forcing a DI that matches the Frame rate from a Master Project set up to do just this. Interested?

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Manford

I will be throwing the rendered media from Sony vegas back in to another piece of software to create a DVD & Bluray with menu's as I normally do.

Sure, I have never ever done BU, but DVDs look great.

Anyhow . .. . Another satisfied customer, subject to your full 40 minutes program rendering out.

Oh yeah . . . Do you have another INTERNAL harddrive? If so look at your Project Settings, you've got your C drive as your Prerendering drive. I don't. This could form another "choke" point. While we are are on this, check to see where Vegas is making Folders (Temporary, Audio, VSTs . . . etc), and consider streamlining your Vegas "experience" so you can get the most from this remarkable NLE.

Cheers

Grazie

James Manford · March 24th, 2013, 04:34 AM

Grazie

I spoke too soon. Just finished the 40min render, reached 100% and did this:

http://s17.postimg.org/3v15d6p7j/sdgsdg1.jpg

Same as usual.

In terms of hard drives, I have installed Vegas on my primary hard drive (my 256gb SSD).

The source files come from my 2TB secondary drive.

And when I render, I render out to the primary 256GB SSD.

I will try rendering again, but this time to the 2TB secondary and see what happens.

This problem is intermittant, I bet even if I render out to the SSD again, it will work this time ...

I just don't like not knowing when it will crash and when it won't.

Graham Bernard · March 24th, 2013, 04:35 AM

HEre's something you may wish to consider having that :

Adjust source media to better match project or render settings

Checked. Note the "adjust interlacing to allow media files to work better with your project." - that's plenty of work for Vegas. This is from the Online Help:

"Select this check box if you want Vegas Pro to scale images or adjust interlacing to allow media files to work better with your project.

This setting will correct for the following types of inconsistencies:

DV media will be cropped for 320x240 Internet renders to prevent letterboxing.

DV widescreen media will be cropped in HD projects.

HD media will be cropped in DV widescreen projects.

486-line media will be cropped in 480-line projects.

480-line media will be padded in 486-line projects.

When the check box is cleared, source media files are processed with their native settings."

So, as you had an 60i Setting and a mix of processing from 25p to 24p this may account for the issue.

Cheers

Grazie

Graham Bernard · March 24th, 2013, 04:43 AM

OK, but did it actually render? Check to see.

Well, you now have Vegas set up optimally to do the job that I am doing without issues. I can only put forward that which is optimal and working for myself.

Do go and see if the Project was rendered.

You may want to just reboot the PC to clear out any gremlins.

Also try rendering to a format that is AS CLOSE to the Media format as you can. Forget about YouTube for the moment. Certainly forget about MainConcept Templates. You're using VP12 Build 486 - yes?

Yeah, the "not knowing" is a PITA. And yes indeed, do try rendering to a non-system, mechanical HD. Let's see if that'll do it

I really think we are getting somewhere. I hope!

Cheers

Grazie

James Manford · March 24th, 2013, 04:54 AM

It didn't render, just provided a dud file.

But here we go:

I have just restarted the PC after making all the changes in this thread.

I have now selected my mechanical 2TB internal secondary drive to use for 'pre-rendered' files.

I have now selected the menchanical drive to output the rendered media too. The actual files in the timeline are also based in this mechanical drive.

I have unticked the 'Adjust source settings to render' box.

I have matched the project settings with the source media settings (so 25p)

I am rendering to 25p PAL as well.

Will update you with the results shortly, so bare with me ...

James Manford · March 24th, 2013, 05:06 AM

Unbelievable ... Just rendered a 10min program in 7minutes.

Im in asbolute aw of Sony Vegas!

Thank you so much!

All the changes above, has not only solved this problem but DRAMATICALLY reduced rendering times as well !!!

Grazie, Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!

Any one having rendering issues, I advise you to carry out the steps in this thread!

Graham Bernard · March 24th, 2013, 05:26 AM

And now the 40 minute Project?

G

James Manford · March 24th, 2013, 05:43 AM

Worked perfectly :)

When I clicked render, I could just tell it's going to work ... call me a nutcase, but the sound of my PC working has changed while it's rendering, I can here the hyperthreading coming in to action lol !

Graham Bernard · March 24th, 2013, 05:54 AM

Well, now that we have the optimal solution working - Projects Settings; Mechanical Hardrive, not your SSD, what you are hearing, if you're being serious, is actually your FANs. Now, if this is the case then maybe an opening of the PC case and a Spring Clean to remove any fluff and dust from the Airways. Ventilation, and its efficiency is yet another ( as per Leslie above) determinant on failing renders, I know, I've had BSODs!

So, are you still using MainConcept? Had you changed to another Template?

James you are actually providing some truly useful and relevant feedback.

As to the sound of your PC, I can hear it here in Wembly!!!

Cheers

Grazie

James Manford · March 24th, 2013, 06:04 AM

My PC is actually pretty new. Had it built in November 2012 just before Xmas.

i7 3770k, 16GB DDR5 Ram, 470 GTX GeForce card.

It's definitely not dust, or fans (I have extra fans that I can switch on with a press of a button). I will however open it up and give it a clean.

I can just tell that the system is finding it easier to work. Almost like that feeling when you get in your car and drive ... somedays it can be a bit sluggish. But when the air is right, it feels so much more pleasant to drive!

Im still using the same template btw, just changed the framerate to 25p PAL like the source files.

March 24th, 2013, 03:34 AM	#16
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Re: Render video CRASH problem! James? How are you doing with that? G ?

March 24th, 2013, 03:39 AM	#17
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Render video CRASH problem! Ok, after I File > Open > One of the .mts files in my cameras folder The project settings change to this automatically: http://s4.postimg.org/3ktcr5vml/Untitled_1.jpg

March 24th, 2013, 03:43 AM	#18
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Render video CRASH problem! Grazie I just figured out what you said ... I clicked on the button the right handside in the project settings window and opened one of the .mts files. Again, the settings changed to what I showed you in the screen dump.

March 24th, 2013, 03:51 AM	#19
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Re: Render video CRASH problem! This is good! So you now have your Project Settings matching your Media. Before your setting were 60i, Vegas was having to figure out all this plus your then render to 24p. Now go ahead and do your rendering with a SMALL selection. Question? Why are you rendering to 24p? Cheers Grazie

March 24th, 2013, 03:55 AM	#20
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Render video CRASH problem! Thank you! It now renders flawlessly with the small selections. I will render the whole 40min project as well and see what happens. I don't know why im rendering to 24p to be honest, it's just a template I took of a youtube video. What is the best thing to render out to? the same frame rate as the initial source file or? I will be throwing the rendered media from Sony vegas back in to another piece of software to create a DVD & Bluray with menu's as I normally do.

March 24th, 2013, 04:34 AM	#22
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Render video CRASH problem! Grazie I spoke too soon. Just finished the 40min render, reached 100% and did this: http://s17.postimg.org/3v15d6p7j/sdgsdg1.jpg Same as usual. In terms of hard drives, I have installed Vegas on my primary hard drive (my 256gb SSD). The source files come from my 2TB secondary drive. And when I render, I render out to the primary 256GB SSD. I will try rendering again, but this time to the 2TB secondary and see what happens. This problem is intermittant, I bet even if I render out to the SSD again, it will work this time ... I just don't like not knowing when it will crash and when it won't.

March 24th, 2013, 04:35 AM	#23
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Re: Render video CRASH problem! HEre's something you may wish to consider having that : *Adjust source media to better match project or render settings* Checked. Note the "adjust interlacing to allow media files to work better with your project." - that's plenty of work for Vegas. This is from the Online Help: "Select this check box if you want Vegas Pro to scale images or adjust interlacing to allow media files to work better with your project. This setting will correct for the following types of inconsistencies: DV media will be cropped for 320x240 Internet renders to prevent letterboxing. DV widescreen media will be cropped in HD projects. HD media will be cropped in DV widescreen projects. 486-line media will be cropped in 480-line projects. 480-line media will be padded in 486-line projects. When the check box is cleared, source media files are processed with their native settings." So, as you had an 60i Setting and a mix of processing from 25p to 24p this may account for the issue. Cheers Grazie

March 24th, 2013, 04:43 AM	#24
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Re: Render video CRASH problem! OK, but did it actually render? Check to see. Well, you now have Vegas set up optimally to do the job that I am doing without issues. I can only put forward that which is optimal and working for myself. Do go and see if the Project was rendered. You may want to just reboot the PC to clear out any gremlins. Also try rendering to a format that is AS CLOSE to the Media format as you can. Forget about YouTube for the moment. Certainly forget about MainConcept Templates. You're using VP12 Build 486 - yes? Yeah, the "not knowing" is a PITA. And yes indeed, do try rendering to a non-system, mechanical HD. Let's see if that'll do it I really think we are getting somewhere. I hope! Cheers Grazie

March 24th, 2013, 04:54 AM	#25
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Render video CRASH problem! It didn't render, just provided a dud file. But here we go: I have just restarted the PC after making all the changes in this thread. I have now selected my mechanical 2TB internal secondary drive to use for 'pre-rendered' files. I have now selected the menchanical drive to output the rendered media too. The actual files in the timeline are also based in this mechanical drive. I have unticked the 'Adjust source settings to render' box. I have matched the project settings with the source media settings (so 25p) I am rendering to 25p PAL as well. Will update you with the results shortly, so bare with me ...

March 24th, 2013, 05:06 AM	#26
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Render video CRASH problem! Unbelievable ... Just rendered a 10min program in 7minutes. Im in asbolute aw of Sony Vegas! Thank you so much! All the changes above, has not only solved this problem but DRAMATICALLY reduced rendering times as well !!! Grazie, Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! Any one having rendering issues, I advise you to carry out the steps in this thread!

March 24th, 2013, 05:26 AM	#27
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Re: Render video CRASH problem! And now the 40 minute Project? G

March 24th, 2013, 05:43 AM	#28
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Render video CRASH problem! Worked perfectly :) When I clicked render, I could just tell it's going to work ... call me a nutcase, but the sound of my PC working has changed while it's rendering, I can here the hyperthreading coming in to action lol !

March 24th, 2013, 05:54 AM	#29
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Re: Render video CRASH problem! Well, now that we have the optimal solution working - Projects Settings; Mechanical Hardrive, not your SSD, what you are hearing, if you're being serious, is actually your FANs. Now, if this is the case then maybe an opening of the PC case and a Spring Clean to remove any fluff and dust from the Airways. Ventilation, and its efficiency is yet another ( as per Leslie above) determinant on failing renders, I know, I've had BSODs! So, are you still using MainConcept? Had you changed to another Template? James you are actually providing some truly useful and relevant feedback. As to the sound of your PC, I can hear it here in Wembly!!! Cheers Grazie

March 24th, 2013, 06:04 AM	#30
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Render video CRASH problem! My PC is actually pretty new. Had it built in November 2012 just before Xmas. i7 3770k, 16GB DDR5 Ram, 470 GTX GeForce card. It's definitely not dust, or fans (I have extra fans that I can switch on with a press of a button). I will however open it up and give it a clean. I can just tell that the system is finding it easier to work. Almost like that feeling when you get in your car and drive ... somedays it can be a bit sluggish. But when the air is right, it feels so much more pleasant to drive! Im still using the same template btw, just changed the framerate to 25p PAL like the source files.