Solid color settings? at DVinfo.net

Gerald Webb · September 13th, 2012, 04:23 PM

Is this a bug?
I'm sure I have made a solid color at varied sizes before, yet now Vegas seems to always expand to the longest side.
Note this is a 240 wide by 600 high solid with "Stretch to fill Frame" off.
It should sit neatly in the middle of a 1080p frame, yeah?
Have I forgotten something simple?
Wouldn't be the first time :)

Edward Troxel · September 14th, 2012, 08:41 AM

If you right-click the preview screen, is "Scale Video to fit preview screen" checked? If not, check it.

Gerald Webb · September 15th, 2012, 01:07 AM

Thanks for the suggestion Edward, but alas, thats not it.
It appears to be a bug/fault, because-
If I drop a media generator solid color on the timeline it behaves as above no matter how I change the size of it.
But,
If I make the solid color project size, then save frame as a PNG, then drop the new PNG file back on the timeline, I have full control of it by un checking the Stretch to Fill Frame option and can make it any shape I want with the Pan Crop settings.
Could someone take a min and verify this to make sure it isnt just my install of Vegas being wacky.

Marco Ba · September 15th, 2012, 07:07 AM

Can't repro, works fine here. I'd also guessed it's just your preview not showing the complete height of the frame.

Edward Troxel · September 15th, 2012, 08:50 PM

Same here, I tested it and it worked fine for me.

Gerald Webb · September 16th, 2012, 05:32 AM

Sorted it.
My bad. I was trying to change the media generator size in the MEDIA GENERATOR options window.
Changing it in the PAN CROP WINDOW (like I did the imported solid) works fine.
Thanks for your time though, Marco and Edward.
I still consider it a fault though, If I choose to generate a solid, and choose it to be 200 x 200 shouldn't it display at that without having to crop it?

Marco Ba · September 17th, 2012, 04:23 PM

This is the way Vegas Pro regulary works (it always behaved that way) - not only for generated media but for all kind of (video/grafics/foto) media. To overcome you have to open Pan/Crop and set width and height to the project dimension. I think there are some scripts available to automate.

There are pros and cons in that given workflow.

Edward Troxel · September 24th, 2012, 10:16 AM

The "Logo Resize" option in Excalibur will reset it to match whatever size you originally set it to. However, it also does so by adjusting the Pan/Crop so you are just as well off adjusting the Pan/Crop as needed.

Soeren Mueller · September 28th, 2012, 09:27 AM

Pardon my ignorance but... how do you get the whole UI to be so (nicely) dark gray? Is there some sort of undocumented setting? Can't figure out for the life of me why they don't have a simple slider a la Adobe for that :( .. sorry for off topic!

Edward Troxel · September 28th, 2012, 09:30 AM

Soeren, which version of Vegas Pro do you have installed?

Soeren Mueller · September 28th, 2012, 09:35 AM

Currently trying out 11 Pro, using an older version in the office currently but planning to upgrade (but I guess now going to 12 directly makes much more sense) .. or is this a new v12 feature?

Edward Troxel · September 28th, 2012, 11:05 AM

Vegas has the option where you can develop your own Windows color scheme and use that scheme. Or you can use the Vegas default scheme which came about in Vegas Pro 9 and newer. The Pro 9 screen has darker colors than the older Vegas Pro 8 and older screens. However, if you want it even darker, you will need to turn off the option to use the Vegas color scheme and create your own in Windows. If you do that, please note you'll change ALL your windows programs.

Soeren Mueller · September 28th, 2012, 12:09 PM

Aaah ok.. too bad.. I think I read about that workaround once.. but I don't like to change the global color settings... they should really add a setting for that, should be pretty easy :/ .. but thanks anyways!

Gerald Webb · September 28th, 2012, 03:45 PM

Like Edward said,
The color scheme is a change to Windows itself.
You can change your explorerframe.dll in Windows to a custom version. The one I use, in simple terms, inverts all windows.
So, (when using a custom theme) all white backgrounds become dark gray and the text white, instead of black.
I also change shell32.dll (for all control panel screens)
Swap out your imageres.dll for a custom version and you end up with a much easier on the eye Windows experience.

Soeren Mueller · September 30th, 2012, 11:06 AM

Hey Gerald, that looks really nice! Does it work the same with Win7 64 bit? Well I guess 64 bit is whats everyones using here anyways ;) ... so where can I get the DLLs your using? Or did you patch/change them yourself? Would be awesome to give this a try!

September 13th, 2012, 04:23 PM	#1
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Solid color settings? Is this a bug? I'm sure I have made a solid color at varied sizes before, yet now Vegas seems to always expand to the longest side. Note this is a 240 wide by 600 high solid with "Stretch to fill Frame" off. It should sit neatly in the middle of a 1080p frame, yeah? Have I forgotten something simple? Wouldn't be the first time :) Attached Thumbnails __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

September 14th, 2012, 08:41 AM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Solid color settings? If you right-click the preview screen, is "Scale Video to fit preview screen" checked? If not, check it. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 15th, 2012, 01:07 AM	#3
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: Solid color settings? Thanks for the suggestion Edward, but alas, thats not it. It appears to be a bug/fault, because- If I drop a media generator solid color on the timeline it behaves as above no matter how I change the size of it. But, If I make the solid color project size, then save frame as a PNG, then drop the new PNG file back on the timeline, I have full control of it by un checking the Stretch to Fill Frame option and can make it any shape I want with the Pan Crop settings. Could someone take a min and verify this to make sure it isnt just my install of Vegas being wacky. __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

September 15th, 2012, 07:07 AM	#4
Marco Ba Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 93	Re: Solid color settings? Can't repro, works fine here. I'd also guessed it's just your preview not showing the complete height of the frame.

September 15th, 2012, 08:50 PM	#5
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Solid color settings? Same here, I tested it and it worked fine for me. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 16th, 2012, 05:32 AM	#6
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: Solid color settings? Sorted it. My bad. I was trying to change the media generator size in the MEDIA GENERATOR options window. Changing it in the PAN CROP WINDOW (like I did the imported solid) works fine. Thanks for your time though, Marco and Edward. I still consider it a fault though, If I choose to generate a solid, and choose it to be 200 x 200 shouldn't it display at that without having to crop it? __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

September 17th, 2012, 04:23 PM	#7
Marco Ba Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 93	Re: Solid color settings? This is the way Vegas Pro regulary works (it always behaved that way) - not only for generated media but for all kind of (video/grafics/foto) media. To overcome you have to open Pan/Crop and set width and height to the project dimension. I think there are some scripts available to automate. There are pros and cons in that given workflow.

September 24th, 2012, 10:16 AM	#8
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Solid color settings? The "Logo Resize" option in Excalibur will reset it to match whatever size you originally set it to. However, it also does so by adjusting the Pan/Crop so you are just as well off adjusting the Pan/Crop as needed. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 28th, 2012, 09:27 AM	#9
Soeren Mueller Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Düsseldorf, Germany / Denver, CO Posts: 137	Re: Solid color settings? Pardon my ignorance but... how do you get the whole UI to be so (nicely) dark gray? Is there some sort of undocumented setting? Can't figure out for the life of me why they don't have a simple slider a la Adobe for that :( .. sorry for off topic!

September 28th, 2012, 09:30 AM	#10
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Solid color settings? Soeren, which version of Vegas Pro do you have installed? __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 28th, 2012, 09:35 AM	#11
Soeren Mueller Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Düsseldorf, Germany / Denver, CO Posts: 137	Re: Solid color settings? Currently trying out 11 Pro, using an older version in the office currently but planning to upgrade (but I guess now going to 12 directly makes much more sense) .. or is this a new v12 feature?

September 28th, 2012, 11:05 AM	#12
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Solid color settings? Vegas has the option where you can develop your own Windows color scheme and use that scheme. Or you can use the Vegas default scheme which came about in Vegas Pro 9 and newer. The Pro 9 screen has darker colors than the older Vegas Pro 8 and older screens. However, if you want it even darker, you will need to turn off the option to use the Vegas color scheme and create your own in Windows. If you do that, please note you'll change ALL your windows programs. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 28th, 2012, 12:09 PM	#13
Soeren Mueller Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Düsseldorf, Germany / Denver, CO Posts: 137	Re: Solid color settings? Aaah ok.. too bad.. I think I read about that workaround once.. but I don't like to change the global color settings... they should really add a setting for that, should be pretty easy :/ .. but thanks anyways!

September 28th, 2012, 03:45 PM	#14
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: Solid color settings? Like Edward said, The color scheme is a change to Windows itself. You can change your explorerframe.dll in Windows to a custom version. The one I use, in simple terms, inverts all windows. So, (when using a custom theme) all white backgrounds become dark gray and the text white, instead of black. I also change shell32.dll (for all control panel screens) Swap out your imageres.dll for a custom version and you end up with a much easier on the eye Windows experience. Attached Thumbnails __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

September 30th, 2012, 11:06 AM	#15
Soeren Mueller Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Düsseldorf, Germany / Denver, CO Posts: 137	Re: Solid color settings? Hey Gerald, that looks really nice! Does it work the same with Win7 64 bit? Well I guess 64 bit is whats everyones using here anyways ;) ... so where can I get the DLLs your using? Or did you patch/change them yourself? Would be awesome to give this a try!