Render Problem

Ryan Laytart · April 17th, 2012, 10:54 PM

I've just set up my new pc, and have been trying to render a project for a while. About a minute into the render, it fails and gives me an "unknown error".

Pc specs:
Vista 64
2 TB primary drive
1 TB secodary
10 GB memory
i7 Six core processor

I have some editing files on the primary drive, and some on an external drive. Rendering to the secondary drive.

Thanks for any help!

Chris Harding · April 17th, 2012, 11:25 PM

Hi Ryan

Are you using just one clip or a bunch of clips/media ???..I had a render that simply died a little way thru and I fought for days to get it right. It turned out that I had one clip (a short 10 second overlay) that was corrupt!!

If there is more than one piece of media in the project try dropping the media out piece by piece until your project renders and you should find the culprit. If you have a rough idea of your render speed then you can also calculate where it's tripping up on my i7 rendering from 1920x1080 to SD I know that it takes the processor about 1/3rd of realtime to render so if my project was crashing at 1 minute I would see what's on the timeline at around the 20 second position and suspect that as the fault!!

Chris

Eric Olson · April 17th, 2012, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan Laytart

I've just set up my new pc

Have you checked that the CPU cooling, graphics card and power supply on your new computer are adequate? The hardware may overheat after a minute of rendering and cause the software to give an error.

Leslie Wand · April 17th, 2012, 11:49 PM

actually what are you rendering from and to what?

Jeff Harper · April 18th, 2012, 04:34 AM

I had the exact same issue with Vegas 11 first release, it was maddening.

First try to render a different format. If your problem is happening during a render to WMV for example, then try rendering to something different. If you can render to something different, but not your desired output, then try the following:

If you have a previous version of Vegas installed, uninstall both versions, reboot your computer, and then defrag your computer. Then reinstall ONLY Vegas 11.

If that doesn't work, reformat your hard drive and reinstall Vista.

If that doesn't work move up to Windows 7. Vegas 11 should work fine with Vista, but it was designed with Windows 7 in mind.

Extreme I know, but it's what I did to fix the problem and it worked. I reinstalled Windows 7, and then first thing I installed on top of that was Vegas 11 and it was fine.

Ryan Laytart · April 18th, 2012, 06:07 AM

Jeff: I am using Vegas 9 on Windows 7. I haven't bothered to install the Vegas updates yet, as I've have problems with the updates in the past.

Leslie and Chris: It's a combination of clips and source files, including floating pictures, background videos, and an effect or two.

Eric: An overheating problem could be it, as well. The cpu's carry along at about 75 to 80%, then for a few seconds before the error, it cranks up to max. I thought I seen an option to limit the processor usage, somewhere, but I didn't have time search for it, last night.

I'll be doing more tests, today. Thanks for the replies!

Jeff Harper · April 18th, 2012, 06:22 AM

Ryan, your original post said Vista 64 bit, and you didn't mention which version, assumed Vegas 11, sorry.

It sounds like maybe a troublesome clip or other event?

Your processor load is not an indicator of overheating necessarily. To monitor your temps download and install CPU Temp and you can see what is happening. Overheating shouldn't cause Vegas to stop, I think it would just slow down, but I could be wrong. When your temps rise and your CPU load gets heavy Vegas will slow down, that is normal.

Good luck with your tests. Try rendering a short clip of just video with not effects, or try removing events from your project till the issue stops so you can isolate the problem.

Eric Olson · April 18th, 2012, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

To monitor your temps download and install CPU Temp and you can see what is happening.

CPU Temp is a good idea. Note, however, when your CPUs are running 100% they will draw more current and may cause the power supply to overheat. This may not be reported by CPU Temp.

Ryan Laytart · April 18th, 2012, 02:03 PM

Sorry about the confusion, Jeff. I'm still not used to having Windows 7.

One other thing... the majority of my source files are on an external 500gb USB drive. I'm wondering if the drive can't keep up with the render.

Then again, the error seems to occur at the same point, each time.

I'll let you all know when I try more things.

Thanks.

Jeff Harper · April 18th, 2012, 02:10 PM

Did you try to render just straight video project to see if a basic render will work?

Cut all the media from the project and try pasting it into another new instance of Vegas while your at it.

Ron Windeyer · April 18th, 2012, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leslie Wand

actually what are you rendering from and to what?

Hi - I think this may be a significant question. I have managed to reproduce this error fairly regularly.

I start with stuff from a Panasonic TM900 - 1920x1080 50P; mts files. Rendering that to a mpeg2 type file is challenging - there is no standard template, and you have to pick something sort of close and modify it. Not infrequently the process falls over with "unknown error".

I have found a solution that works for me - render to Sony AVC/mp4, with the appropriate settings. This seems to work. Export to PS3 and play from there.

Hope that's some help.

Ryan Laytart · April 18th, 2012, 10:07 PM

I resolved the error, earlier tonight. There were a few settings within the "System" tab of my MPEG template which differed from my previous settings. Namely, the video buffer size was set to 23, as opposed to 232... "align sequence headers to packets" was not checked.... and "timestamps on all frames" was selected, as opposed to "timestamps on I frames only".

I'm not sure which of those was the culprit.

Also good to note that I updated to version "e", prior to the above mentioned settings... something I was hesitant to do, as I've had issues with updates in the past. The error STILL REMAINED after the update, though.

Thanks for the help and suggestions. Now it's time to delve into Encore. I'm still using 2.0, and it really hates new versions of Windows. When I get this solved, I'll be set.

April 17th, 2012, 10:54 PM	#1
Ryan Laytart Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Temperance, MI Posts: 86	Render Problem - Unknown Error I've just set up my new pc, and have been trying to render a project for a while. About a minute into the render, it fails and gives me an "unknown error". Pc specs: Vista 64 2 TB primary drive 1 TB secodary 10 GB memory i7 Six core processor I have some editing files on the primary drive, and some on an external drive. Rendering to the secondary drive. Thanks for any help!

April 17th, 2012, 11:25 PM	#2
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: Render Problem - Unknown Error Hi Ryan Are you using just one clip or a bunch of clips/media ???..I had a render that simply died a little way thru and I fought for days to get it right. It turned out that I had one clip (a short 10 second overlay) that was corrupt!! If there is more than one piece of media in the project try dropping the media out piece by piece until your project renders and you should find the culprit. If you have a rough idea of your render speed then you can also calculate where it's tripping up on my i7 rendering from 1920x1080 to SD I know that it takes the processor about 1/3rd of realtime to render so if my project was crashing at 1 minute I would see what's on the timeline at around the 20 second position and suspect that as the fault!! Chris

April 17th, 2012, 11:49 PM	#4
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: Render Problem - Unknown Error actually what are you rendering from and to what? __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

April 18th, 2012, 04:34 AM	#5
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Render Problem - Unknown Error I had the exact same issue with Vegas 11 first release, it was maddening. First try to render a different format. If your problem is happening during a render to WMV for example, then try rendering to something different. If you can render to something different, but not your desired output, then try the following: If you have a previous version of Vegas installed, uninstall both versions, reboot your computer, and then defrag your computer. Then reinstall ONLY Vegas 11. If that doesn't work, reformat your hard drive and reinstall Vista. If that doesn't work move up to Windows 7. Vegas 11 should work fine with Vista, but it was designed with Windows 7 in mind. Extreme I know, but it's what I did to fix the problem and it worked. I reinstalled Windows 7, and then first thing I installed on top of that was Vegas 11 and it was fine.

April 18th, 2012, 06:07 AM	#6
Ryan Laytart Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Temperance, MI Posts: 86	Re: Render Problem - Unknown Error Jeff: I am using Vegas 9 on Windows 7. I haven't bothered to install the Vegas updates yet, as I've have problems with the updates in the past. Leslie and Chris: It's a combination of clips and source files, including floating pictures, background videos, and an effect or two. Eric: An overheating problem could be it, as well. The cpu's carry along at about 75 to 80%, then for a few seconds before the error, it cranks up to max. I thought I seen an option to limit the processor usage, somewhere, but I didn't have time search for it, last night. I'll be doing more tests, today. Thanks for the replies!

April 18th, 2012, 06:22 AM	#7
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Render Problem - Unknown Error Ryan, your original post said Vista 64 bit, and you didn't mention which version, assumed Vegas 11, sorry. It sounds like maybe a troublesome clip or other event? Your processor load is not an indicator of overheating necessarily. To monitor your temps download and install CPU Temp and you can see what is happening. Overheating shouldn't cause Vegas to stop, I think it would just slow down, but I could be wrong. When your temps rise and your CPU load gets heavy Vegas will slow down, that is normal. Good luck with your tests. Try rendering a short clip of just video with not effects, or try removing events from your project till the issue stops so you can isolate the problem.

April 18th, 2012, 02:03 PM	#9
Ryan Laytart Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Temperance, MI Posts: 86	Re: Render Problem - Unknown Error Sorry about the confusion, Jeff. I'm still not used to having Windows 7. One other thing... the majority of my source files are on an external 500gb USB drive. I'm wondering if the drive can't keep up with the render. Then again, the error seems to occur at the same point, each time. I'll let you all know when I try more things. Thanks.

April 18th, 2012, 02:10 PM	#10
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Render Problem - Unknown Error Did you try to render just straight video project to see if a basic render will work? Cut all the media from the project and try pasting it into another new instance of Vegas while your at it.

April 18th, 2012, 10:07 PM	#12
Ryan Laytart Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Temperance, MI Posts: 86	Re: Render Problem - Unknown Error I resolved the error, earlier tonight. There were a few settings within the "System" tab of my MPEG template which differed from my previous settings. Namely, the video buffer size was set to 23, as opposed to 232... "align sequence headers to packets" was not checked.... and "timestamps on all frames" was selected, as opposed to "timestamps on I frames only". I'm not sure which of those was the culprit. Also good to note that I updated to version "e", prior to the above mentioned settings... something I was hesitant to do, as I've had issues with updates in the past. The error STILL REMAINED after the update, though. Thanks for the help and suggestions. Now it's time to delve into Encore. I'm still using 2.0, and it really hates new versions of Windows. When I get this solved, I'll be set.