Gone to the Dark Side at DVinfo.net

Charles Newcomb · April 12th, 2012, 04:53 PM

I guess it was only a matter of time, anyway.

A few years ago I stopped buying PCs because I am not geeky enough to take care of them in a manner in which they have become accustomed to be taken care of. It seemed like every-other-month my machine wound up in the shop. So after hearing many stories of people switching to Mac for hardware and running Windows on them, I took the plunge. I've had two since the first one in 2007, and neither has ever been in the shop for repairs. And maybe it's just because I wanted it to be so, it also seemed like Vegas (which I've used since V3) ran better on the Mac.

I upgraded to Vegas 11 when it was released. It seemed to run okay to me, but I wasn't doing anything complicated at the time. Shortly thereafter they released the first update and things quickly got to where it was no longer any fun to work in Vegas. After a week of that, I asked Sony to refund my money, which they did.

I went back to Vegas 10e. Simultaneously, I tried Final Cut Pro X. I discovered it wasn't clunky like other versions of FInal Cut Pro. In fact, there are some intuitive, Vegas-like features. But since I've spent most of my editing time on Vegas and Avid, I was reluctant to get too much into FCPX.

That all changed when Vegas started to do clip substitutions and lock-ups I'd only read about previously. They drove me nuts for almost two weeks. That was it. It was time to look elsewhere. I went back to FCPX, this time after downloading some tutorials. Now I'm very comfortable with it. The fun has come back to editing. Long story short: This is my Sonic Foundry/Sony Vegas swan song.

I regret things having come to this. I will miss the editing system on which I spent so many years and did so many projects. I'll miss the great advice I always go in this forum. But a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

I wish all of you the best, and thank you for all the great tips.

If anyone wants a Vegas 10 license, email me a serious offer.

Charles

Leslie Wand · April 12th, 2012, 07:50 PM

interesting....

but don't you miss the plethora of software available for the pc?

i'm asking cause like many others i'm getting very iffy about vegas 11 - and thought about edius as a fall back.

i used to use macs in a previous life, (avid, media 100), and the thought did cross my mind till i read about the mess fcp had become.

so are you saying fcpx is upto the mark with 'serious' editing, and able to run the multitude of excellent plugins available for vegas (genarts, magic bullet, boris)?

Michael Wisniewski · April 12th, 2012, 09:28 PM

I'm still a big fan of Vegas, and if Sony ever makes it for Mac OSX I'll ditch FCP X in a second. But in the meantime, I find FCP X "good enough" that I don't have to have two systems running. The older FCP Studio drove me nuts, I always had a second Vegas system running.

Charles Newcomb · April 13th, 2012, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leslie Wand

interesting....

but don't you miss the plethora of software available for the pc?

Some, yes. I could still run WIndows under BootCamp and continue to use them, but I don't use them enough to justify the dedicated HD space Windows and the programs want. I've found for my use the stuff Mac OS has out is sufficient. There are also some very nice plug-in effects available for FCPX. Titling in FCPX is tons more versatile than it was in Vegas (that was always my biggest gripe). But Vegas still trumps FCP (X or otherwise) for working with audio.

Not sure what I'll do with all those New Blue plug-ins I bought.

God, I can't believe life has come to me saying nice things about Macs.

Jeff Harper · April 13th, 2012, 12:42 PM

Charles I cannot make you an offer on Vegas license, but if you indicate your lowest price I can pass it on to a friend who wants to purchase Vegas. If he's interested I'll set it up for you. He may want to purchase your NewBlue Plug ins too, I have no idea, but if you want let me know about those also, as to which ones you have, and how much you want. If you want email me here.

Edward Troxel · April 13th, 2012, 02:00 PM

NewBlue is working on FCPX compatibility so you should be able to do a cross upgrade (PC to Mac) once that is completed.

I haven't actually played with FCPX but from the videos I've seen, it certainly looks like they really took a hard look at Vegas when they were rewriting FCPX.

Matt Sharp · April 13th, 2012, 05:08 PM

Apple makes good hardware. Over the past 10 years I've used Dell, HP, and one Acer desktop, and they've all worked fine. Laptops however have been a different story, every Dell laptop I've had has literally fallen apart, HPs have been good but feel very cheap. For on the road editing I moved to a 15" MacBook Pro in 2010 running Vegas 9 then 10 on win7 64bit with bootcamp.

I tested out V11 but hated it, so I'm sticking with 10e for now.

Charles Newcomb · April 13th, 2012, 06:43 PM

Jeff: If your friend can email me proof he's donated at least $100 to Ronald McDonald House, I'll send him my license code.

mtntvguy@q.com

Edward: That would be awesome if the New Blue plug-ins would work on FCPX. I like your bleach bypass a lot more than the one that's on FCPX. I forget what the one is called that let's you do video-in-video in all shapes and configurations, but I liked that one a lot, too. The problem is, I've wiped the Windows drive and reallocated the space to Mac OS, so I can't remember which packs I purchased. There were several, but since they were all downloaded, not purchased on DVD, I can't remember which ones I had.

Jeff Harper · April 13th, 2012, 06:50 PM

Charles, I'll call my friend and tell him asap. Also, re: Newblue if you go to the site they will have a record of your purchases for sure, and I imagine your codes, though you might have to email them for your codes.

Jeff Harper · April 13th, 2012, 06:55 PM

Charles, please hold the Vegas license till tomorrow afternoon if you can. I feel my friend will buy it (make donation) but I'm waiting on his return call, he's on a shoot tonight. He happens to be a great guy who certainly could use a break, he really needs a pro editing system, and he wants Vegas badly, so I feel certain he'll want it, but I can't speak with certainty till I talk with him. Thanks in advance if you can do hold off till then!

Charles Newcomb · April 13th, 2012, 07:46 PM

No worries, Jeff. I'll hold it.

Edward Troxel · April 14th, 2012, 06:54 AM

Charles, contact NewBlue and I'll look up your purchases.

Be aware I'm headed to NAB today so response time may be a little slower than normal.

Jeff Harper · April 14th, 2012, 08:21 AM

Charles, my friend wants Vegas 11 instead of 10, so sorry! Thanks for waiting for us. Best wishes for your run with FCPX

April 12th, 2012, 04:53 PM	#1
Charles Newcomb Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Salida, Colorado Posts: 561	Gone to the Dark Side I guess it was only a matter of time, anyway. A few years ago I stopped buying PCs because I am not geeky enough to take care of them in a manner in which they have become accustomed to be taken care of. It seemed like every-other-month my machine wound up in the shop. So after hearing many stories of people switching to Mac for hardware and running Windows on them, I took the plunge. I've had two since the first one in 2007, and neither has ever been in the shop for repairs. And maybe it's just because I wanted it to be so, it also seemed like Vegas (which I've used since V3) ran better on the Mac. I upgraded to Vegas 11 when it was released. It seemed to run okay to me, but I wasn't doing anything complicated at the time. Shortly thereafter they released the first update and things quickly got to where it was no longer any fun to work in Vegas. After a week of that, I asked Sony to refund my money, which they did. I went back to Vegas 10e. Simultaneously, I tried Final Cut Pro X. I discovered it wasn't clunky like other versions of FInal Cut Pro. In fact, there are some intuitive, Vegas-like features. But since I've spent most of my editing time on Vegas and Avid, I was reluctant to get too much into FCPX. That all changed when Vegas started to do clip substitutions and lock-ups I'd only read about previously. They drove me nuts for almost two weeks. That was it. It was time to look elsewhere. I went back to FCPX, this time after downloading some tutorials. Now I'm very comfortable with it. The fun has come back to editing. Long story short: This is my Sonic Foundry/Sony Vegas swan song. I regret things having come to this. I will miss the editing system on which I spent so many years and did so many projects. I'll miss the great advice I always go in this forum. But a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. I wish all of you the best, and thank you for all the great tips. If anyone wants a Vegas 10 license, email me a serious offer. Charles

April 12th, 2012, 07:50 PM	#2
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: Gone to the Dark Side interesting.... but don't you miss the plethora of software available for the pc? i'm asking cause like many others i'm getting very iffy about vegas 11 - and thought about edius as a fall back. i used to use macs in a previous life, (avid, media 100), and the thought did cross my mind till i read about the mess fcp had become. so are you saying fcpx is upto the mark with 'serious' editing, and able to run the multitude of excellent plugins available for vegas (genarts, magic bullet, boris)? __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

April 12th, 2012, 09:28 PM	#3
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Re: Gone to the Dark Side I'm still a big fan of Vegas, and if Sony ever makes it for Mac OSX I'll ditch FCP X in a second. But in the meantime, I find FCP X "good enough" that I don't have to have two systems running. The older FCP Studio drove me nuts, I always had a second Vegas system running. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

April 13th, 2012, 12:42 PM	#5
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Gone to the Dark Side Charles I cannot make you an offer on Vegas license, but if you indicate your lowest price I can pass it on to a friend who wants to purchase Vegas. If he's interested I'll set it up for you. He may want to purchase your NewBlue Plug ins too, I have no idea, but if you want let me know about those also, as to which ones you have, and how much you want. If you want email me here.

April 13th, 2012, 02:00 PM	#6
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Gone to the Dark Side NewBlue is working on FCPX compatibility so you should be able to do a cross upgrade (PC to Mac) once that is completed. I haven't actually played with FCPX but from the videos I've seen, it certainly looks like they really took a hard look at Vegas when they were rewriting FCPX. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 13th, 2012, 05:08 PM	#7
Matt Sharp Major Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Northridge, CA Posts: 280	Re: Gone to the Dark Side Apple makes good hardware. Over the past 10 years I've used Dell, HP, and one Acer desktop, and they've all worked fine. Laptops however have been a different story, every Dell laptop I've had has literally fallen apart, HPs have been good but feel very cheap. For on the road editing I moved to a 15" MacBook Pro in 2010 running Vegas 9 then 10 on win7 64bit with bootcamp. I tested out V11 but hated it, so I'm sticking with 10e for now.

April 13th, 2012, 06:43 PM	#8
Charles Newcomb Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Salida, Colorado Posts: 561	Re: Gone to the Dark Side Jeff: If your friend can email me proof he's donated at least $100 to Ronald McDonald House, I'll send him my license code. mtntvguy@q.com Edward: That would be awesome if the New Blue plug-ins would work on FCPX. I like your bleach bypass a lot more than the one that's on FCPX. I forget what the one is called that let's you do video-in-video in all shapes and configurations, but I liked that one a lot, too. The problem is, I've wiped the Windows drive and reallocated the space to Mac OS, so I can't remember which packs I purchased. There were several, but since they were all downloaded, not purchased on DVD, I can't remember which ones I had.

April 13th, 2012, 06:50 PM	#9
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Gone to the Dark Side Charles, I'll call my friend and tell him asap. Also, re: Newblue if you go to the site they will have a record of your purchases for sure, and I imagine your codes, though you might have to email them for your codes.

April 13th, 2012, 06:55 PM	#10
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Gone to the Dark Side Charles, please hold the Vegas license till tomorrow afternoon if you can. I feel my friend will buy it (make donation) but I'm waiting on his return call, he's on a shoot tonight. He happens to be a great guy who certainly could use a break, he really needs a pro editing system, and he wants Vegas badly, so I feel certain he'll want it, but I can't speak with certainty till I talk with him. Thanks in advance if you can do hold off till then!

April 13th, 2012, 07:46 PM	#11
Charles Newcomb Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Salida, Colorado Posts: 561	Re: Gone to the Dark Side No worries, Jeff. I'll hold it.

April 14th, 2012, 06:54 AM	#12
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Gone to the Dark Side Charles, contact NewBlue and I'll look up your purchases. Be aware I'm headed to NAB today so response time may be a little slower than normal. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 14th, 2012, 08:21 AM	#13
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Gone to the Dark Side Charles, my friend wants Vegas 11 instead of 10, so sorry! Thanks for waiting for us. Best wishes for your run with FCPX