GPU Breakthrough

Gerald Webb · November 24th, 2011, 04:40 AM

Well thats interesting.
I installed that new version a few days, maybe a week ago, (I have my Nvidia update settings for beta releases as well).
Im now wondering if my new found stability with Vegas 11 is due to that rather than my new OC'd GPU
Either way :))))

Tom Bostick · November 24th, 2011, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

What are you trying to render Tom, 1080?

480p 720p 1080p

all h.264 with the main concept codec, just keep getting the system out of memory error ,cpu encoding still works fine

Jeff Harper · November 24th, 2011, 05:36 AM

Oh, so it's just the GPU thing not working. Still that stinks.

Gerald Webb · November 26th, 2011, 12:00 AM

Update, Just spent a few awful hours trying to edit Cineform files in Vegas 11. Must have crashed 50 times. Ended up replacing the files with the original AVCHD versions on the top track, but still got crashes. It was only when I muted the Cineform tracks below that the crashing stopped. It would crash always on a crossfade of the avchd files, Im guessing with the Cineform tracks below it was enough to crash as soon as they came into play at the crossfade ( make sense?)
Anyway, all avchd and mxf was fine, stable again.
Whats going on with Cineform and Vegas?
Is there anything I can do short of a clean install?

Jeff Harper · November 26th, 2011, 12:15 AM

Gerald, sounds pretty awful what you're going through. I'm editing with Cineform, having no real problems.

As much as I love the transcoding ability of Cineform, I'm looking forward to not using it after my current crop of weddings. I am tired of 700GB worth of files for a single project. This isn't Cineform's fault, of course, it is the nature of transcoded files, but still... I'm shooting in 24p, and since 24p is compatible with DVDs and Blurays, I'm hoping Vegas will resize 1080 to 480 without issues.

As for your problems, yes, I would probably do a clean install. I assume you turned off the GPU feature?

If you do a clean install, I'd suggest doing a long format of your drive, not the quick format that Win 7 performs. Found I had to do that to get rid of all the quirks I had with Windows 7. I use a raid controller, so I am fortunate I can do a full format using the bios of the card.

Otherwise, you much use a floppy with a formatting utility (I don't have a floppy drive any more) or take the drive out and put it into another computer to format it. You may already know all of this, but thought I'd throw it out there for you just to be sure.

Another benefit of a full format is I believe disc errors are cleared up with a full format, but I might be mistaken about that.

Leslie Wand · November 26th, 2011, 12:41 AM

after my first few crash sessions with cineform years ago i decided it just wasn't worth the effort - moved over to mxf and never looked back.

afaic unless you're trying to get a feature out for up-rezzing to silver screen the hype of using cineform is simply that, hype.

i've worked some sequences in mxf pretty hard and couldn't see visually, or on the scopes any problems at all... ymmv

Jeff Harper · November 26th, 2011, 01:18 AM

I've never had an issue with Cineform causing crashes, from day one. I've had other issues, but not acceptance into Vegas.

Hype? It's a conversion tool you either need or you do not. I've taken four different cameras, shot in four different modes and converted for editing and the results are amazing.

Taken 1080i, 1440, 480, and 720p all converted to the same dimensions, deinterlaced the interlaced footage, and after color correction it looked like it was all shot on the same camera. It converts relatively quickly, depending on what you're converting.

It removed pulldown from 4 hours of footage in minutes last week, so now I have four matching cameras, rather than have one line of 24p in a 60i wrapper. HD Link is an very useful tool, but only if you need it. Cineform folks are the first one to tell you everyone doesn't need it.

On the other hand it is a step I'd love to eliminate.

Leslie Wand · November 26th, 2011, 02:53 AM

sorry jeff, let me rephrase the 'hype' bit - cineform is a great codec, IF you need one. by 'hype' i wasn't referring to it not doing anything useful, but rather users insisting that they HAD to use it to maintain quality no matter what.

fortunately i don't have too many clients shooting esoteric codecs, mostly i've seen a move away from hdv to avchd, and my system will happily handle most avchd directly on the tl. when the material is going to need 'something' extra, then, and only then do i transcode to mxf.

Jeff Harper · November 26th, 2011, 04:49 AM

No prob Leslie. Yes, it depends on what your working with and what you need to do with it. I've not used Vegas for resizing much yet, except for going from 720 to 480 which works very well for DVDs.

Jeff Harper · November 27th, 2011, 11:56 PM

Regarding GPU thing, I started experiencing crashing of Windows yesterday while running Vegas, and I downloaded the beta drivers for my card, and problem seems to be solved.

Does anyone know if there are advantages to workstations cards over the desktop/gaming cards for Vegas?

Jeff Harper · December 6th, 2011, 11:24 PM

Earlier in this thread, I discussed the idea that my 850W power supply might not have been powerful enough. I went ahead and replaced it with a 1000watt OCZ Gold Certified PSU. The difference is astounding.

The most obvious differences that I can see off hand (just installed it minutes ago) is thumbnails of photos etc now appear instantly. My browser is lightning quick. It's as if I bought a new computer. Everything opens faster now, like it should.

I've been having so many weird side issues, the only thing I could think of that might help was the PSU, and it seems it was the right thing to do.

I almost regret not going with a 1250 watt unit, but hopefully this will be sufficient.

November 24th, 2011, 04:40 AM	#16
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: GPU Breakthrough Well thats interesting. I installed that new version a few days, maybe a week ago, (I have my Nvidia update settings for beta releases as well). Im now wondering if my new found stability with Vegas 11 is due to that rather than my new OC'd GPU Either way :)))) __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

November 24th, 2011, 05:36 AM	#18
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: GPU Breakthrough Oh, so it's just the GPU thing not working. Still that stinks. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

November 26th, 2011, 12:00 AM	#19
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: GPU Breakthrough Update, Just spent a few awful hours trying to edit Cineform files in Vegas 11. Must have crashed 50 times. Ended up replacing the files with the original AVCHD versions on the top track, but still got crashes. It was only when I muted the Cineform tracks below that the crashing stopped. It would crash always on a crossfade of the avchd files, Im guessing with the Cineform tracks below it was enough to crash as soon as they came into play at the crossfade ( make sense?) Anyway, all avchd and mxf was fine, stable again. Whats going on with Cineform and Vegas? Is there anything I can do short of a clean install? __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

November 26th, 2011, 12:15 AM	#20
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: GPU Breakthrough Gerald, sounds pretty awful what you're going through. I'm editing with Cineform, having no real problems. As much as I love the transcoding ability of Cineform, I'm looking forward to not using it after my current crop of weddings. I am tired of 700GB worth of files for a single project. This isn't Cineform's fault, of course, it is the nature of transcoded files, but still... I'm shooting in 24p, and since 24p is compatible with DVDs and Blurays, I'm hoping Vegas will resize 1080 to 480 without issues. As for your problems, yes, I would probably do a clean install. I assume you turned off the GPU feature? If you do a clean install, I'd suggest doing a long format of your drive, not the quick format that Win 7 performs. Found I had to do that to get rid of all the quirks I had with Windows 7. I use a raid controller, so I am fortunate I can do a full format using the bios of the card. Otherwise, you much use a floppy with a formatting utility (I don't have a floppy drive any more) or take the drive out and put it into another computer to format it. You may already know all of this, but thought I'd throw it out there for you just to be sure. Another benefit of a full format is I believe disc errors are cleared up with a full format, but I might be mistaken about that. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

November 26th, 2011, 12:41 AM	#21
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: GPU Breakthrough after my first few crash sessions with cineform years ago i decided it just wasn't worth the effort - moved over to mxf and never looked back. afaic unless you're trying to get a feature out for up-rezzing to silver screen the hype of using cineform is simply that, hype. i've worked some sequences in mxf pretty hard and couldn't see visually, or on the scopes any problems at all... ymmv __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

November 26th, 2011, 01:18 AM	#22
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: GPU Breakthrough I've never had an issue with Cineform causing crashes, from day one. I've had other issues, but not acceptance into Vegas. Hype? It's a conversion tool you either need or you do not. I've taken four different cameras, shot in four different modes and converted for editing and the results are amazing. Taken 1080i, 1440, 480, and 720p all converted to the same dimensions, deinterlaced the interlaced footage, and after color correction it looked like it was all shot on the same camera. It converts relatively quickly, depending on what you're converting. It removed pulldown from 4 hours of footage in minutes last week, so now I have four matching cameras, rather than have one line of 24p in a 60i wrapper. HD Link is an very useful tool, but only if you need it. Cineform folks are the first one to tell you everyone doesn't need it. On the other hand it is a step I'd love to eliminate. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

November 26th, 2011, 02:53 AM	#23
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: GPU Breakthrough sorry jeff, let me rephrase the 'hype' bit - cineform is a great codec, IF you need one. by 'hype' i wasn't referring to it not doing anything useful, but rather users insisting that they HAD to use it to maintain quality no matter what. fortunately i don't have too many clients shooting esoteric codecs, mostly i've seen a move away from hdv to avchd, and my system will happily handle most avchd directly on the tl. when the material is going to need 'something' extra, then, and only then do i transcode to mxf. __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

November 26th, 2011, 04:49 AM	#24
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: GPU Breakthrough No prob Leslie. Yes, it depends on what your working with and what you need to do with it. I've not used Vegas for resizing much yet, except for going from 720 to 480 which works very well for DVDs. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

November 27th, 2011, 11:56 PM	#25
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: GPU Breakthrough Regarding GPU thing, I started experiencing crashing of Windows yesterday while running Vegas, and I downloaded the beta drivers for my card, and problem seems to be solved. Does anyone know if there are advantages to workstations cards over the desktop/gaming cards for Vegas? __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

December 6th, 2011, 11:24 PM	#26
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: GPU Breakthrough Earlier in this thread, I discussed the idea that my 850W power supply might not have been powerful enough. I went ahead and replaced it with a 1000watt OCZ Gold Certified PSU. The difference is astounding. The most obvious differences that I can see off hand (just installed it minutes ago) is thumbnails of photos etc now appear instantly. My browser is lightning quick. It's as if I bought a new computer. Everything opens faster now, like it should. I've been having so many weird side issues, the only thing I could think of that might help was the PSU, and it seems it was the right thing to do. I almost regret not going with a 1250 watt unit, but hopefully this will be sufficient.