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Brian Luce · June 16th, 2011, 10:14 AM

If I wanted to do a chroma key and use handheld or another type of shot that involves any camera movement, can Vegas track the background plate to sync to the camera movement as well? If so, how Or is it necessary to use AE?

David Jimerson · June 16th, 2011, 10:23 AM

Not automatically.

Nicholas de Kock · June 16th, 2011, 11:11 AM

AE is the standard for any effects work, don't look else where you'll only be disappointed.

Gerald Webb · June 16th, 2011, 11:27 AM

You can do a lot of things in Vegas that most people do in AFX, the downside is its a lot slower and most often not worth it,
but,
If Vegas is all you have, dont be put off from having a go, apart from the learning experience, its very satisfying :)
If you do decide to do it, just ask if you want help.

David Jimerson · June 16th, 2011, 11:29 AM

I actually find a number of things quicker and easier to do in Vegas with the same quality of result. However, there are also many things where this isn't so.

Ian Stark · June 16th, 2011, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicholas de Kock

AE is the standard for any effects work, don't look else where you'll only be disappointed.

Certainly in that price bracket - as you go up the ladder you'll find tools that outshine AE.

I'm absolutely with David and Gerald - there is SO much more than you can do in Vegas nowadays, with or without third party plugins. Yes, many tasks are much easier and quicker in AE, and many tasks simply can't be done in Vegas. Whether the gap will continue to shrink is questionable, although with many of the tools from NewBlue, Boris, Genarts etc it's getting to the stage where I think I could stick quite happily in Vegas 95% of the time.

If I could afford all those plugins, of course . . . ! (Which is true of AE also).

To comment on the OP's question, Boris BCC has motion tracking, if that's what you're after. There's a great tutorial on their YouTube channel.

Brian Luce · June 16th, 2011, 02:33 PM

Boris CC7 looks like a good option. Boris FX Online Store - Boris Continuum Complete 7 for Sony Vegas Pro 10 (Download) It's pricey though. $600.

The shoot is coming up fast. Perhaps I'll just shoot locked down And use either AE or Boris down the road to simulate camera movement for handheld and the corresponding plate movement. Q: I'll need to put tape marks on the screen right? How many and what arrangement on a 12x8 screen? Orange "X's"?

Gerald Webb · June 16th, 2011, 03:28 PM

For instance, here are 2 I did last night,
The text, I think could be done in Vegas with standard tools and get a similar result, will try tonight and post back.
but,
The hospital monitor would take a million( exaggerated ) key frames and way to much time without the use of expressions that are available in AFX.
Again, I suppose billable hrs dont come into it, its more just about working on your "compositing chops" and satisfaction of doing something a little bit different than, cut and crossfade .

Ian, what tools are your talking about that are a levell above AFX? This nerd would love to download a trial, lol.

Ian Stark · June 16th, 2011, 03:41 PM

Gerald, I was thinking of things like Nuke/NukeX, Flame etc.

Gerald Webb · June 16th, 2011, 03:56 PM

Thanks Ian, this is going to be cool....
NUKEX | Greater Creative Freedom | The Foundry

HOLY COW!!
I just looked at the price.... 8k.
Dont think the Chief Financial Controller will allow this one, lol.

Jeff Harper · June 16th, 2011, 07:54 PM

You can rent it for 1600 GBP for 3 months.

Gerald Webb · June 16th, 2011, 08:46 PM

$533.33 a month, $122.60 a week, $17.51 a day.... well thats less than 73c an hour.
How can I afford not to rent it?

"Honey! I know what i want for my birthday!"
lol

Nicholas de Kock · June 17th, 2011, 01:27 PM

I did a green screen key last week and Vegas really sucks when it comes to keying, AE has Keylight which does a beautiful job at keying & tracking is extremely easy with AE, as far as I know Vegas has no tracking functions. Nuke is brilliant but unless you are a full time professional effects artist it's overkill. You can get a 30 day trail for AE which is more than enough time to do what you need to do and if you want to subscribe it's only $85 a month for the entire Production suit from Adobe.

David Jimerson · June 17th, 2011, 01:29 PM

Keylight is better than Vegas's keyer, no question about it.

But Vegas's keyer doesn't suck. Before Premiere added the Ultra keyer with CS5, it was easily the best on-board NLE keyer.

You just have to know how to use it.

Nicholas de Kock · June 17th, 2011, 03:46 PM

David the question was if it's necessary to use AE for tracking the background motion of hand-held footage in green screen and the answer is yes it's necessary to use AE - Vegas can't do it. I agree with you Vegas is a lot easier to use for many applications but it can't do what Brian is asking for. I know how to use the Chroma Keyer, I love Vegas but there are some things it sucks at.

June 16th, 2011, 10:14 AM	#1
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	Can Vegas do this? If I wanted to do a chroma key and use handheld or another type of shot that involves any camera movement, can Vegas track the background plate to sync to the camera movement as well? If so, how Or is it necessary to use AE?

June 16th, 2011, 10:23 AM	#2
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Re: Can Vegas do this? Not automatically. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

June 16th, 2011, 11:11 AM	#3
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	Re: Can Vegas do this? AE is the standard for any effects work, don't look else where you'll only be disappointed.

June 16th, 2011, 11:27 AM	#4
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: Can Vegas do this? You can do a lot of things in Vegas that most people do in AFX, the downside is its a lot slower and most often not worth it, but, If Vegas is all you have, dont be put off from having a go, apart from the learning experience, its very satisfying :) If you do decide to do it, just ask if you want help. __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

June 16th, 2011, 11:29 AM	#5
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Re: Can Vegas do this? I actually find a number of things quicker and easier to do in Vegas with the same quality of result. However, there are also many things where this isn't so. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

June 16th, 2011, 02:33 PM	#7
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	Re: Can Vegas do this? Boris CC7 looks like a good option. Boris FX Online Store - Boris Continuum Complete 7 for Sony Vegas Pro 10 (Download) It's pricey though. $600. The shoot is coming up fast. Perhaps I'll just shoot locked down And use either AE or Boris down the road to simulate camera movement for handheld and the corresponding plate movement. Q: I'll need to put tape marks on the screen right? How many and what arrangement on a 12x8 screen? Orange "X's"?

June 16th, 2011, 03:28 PM	#8
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: Can Vegas do this? For instance, here are 2 I did last night, The text, I think could be done in Vegas with standard tools and get a similar result, will try tonight and post back. but, The hospital monitor would take a million( exaggerated ) key frames and way to much time without the use of expressions that are available in AFX. Again, I suppose billable hrs dont come into it, its more just about working on your "compositing chops" and satisfaction of doing something a little bit different than, cut and crossfade . Ash little on Vimeo Hospital Monitor on Vimeo Ian, what tools are your talking about that are a levell above AFX? This nerd would love to download a trial, lol. __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

June 16th, 2011, 03:41 PM	#9
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Re: Can Vegas do this? Gerald, I was thinking of things like Nuke/NukeX, Flame etc. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

June 16th, 2011, 03:56 PM	#10
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: Can Vegas do this? Thanks Ian, this is going to be cool.... NUKEX \| Greater Creative Freedom \| The Foundry HOLY COW!! I just looked at the price.... 8k. Dont think the Chief Financial Controller will allow this one, lol. __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo Last edited by Gerald Webb; June 16th, 2011 at 04:00 PM. Reason: got up off floor in shock.

June 16th, 2011, 07:54 PM	#11
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Can Vegas do this? You can rent it for 1600 GBP for 3 months. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

June 16th, 2011, 08:46 PM	#12
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: Can Vegas do this? $533.33 a month, $122.60 a week, $17.51 a day.... well thats less than 73c an hour. How can I afford not to rent it? "Honey! I know what i want for my birthday!" lol __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

June 17th, 2011, 01:27 PM	#13
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	Re: Can Vegas do this? I did a green screen key last week and Vegas really sucks when it comes to keying, AE has Keylight which does a beautiful job at keying & tracking is extremely easy with AE, as far as I know Vegas has no tracking functions. Nuke is brilliant but unless you are a full time professional effects artist it's overkill. You can get a 30 day trail for AE which is more than enough time to do what you need to do and if you want to subscribe it's only $85 a month for the entire Production suit from Adobe.

June 17th, 2011, 01:29 PM	#14
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Re: Can Vegas do this? Keylight is better than Vegas's keyer, no question about it. But Vegas's keyer doesn't suck. Before Premiere added the Ultra keyer with CS5, it was easily the best on-board NLE keyer. You just have to know how to use it. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

June 17th, 2011, 03:46 PM	#15
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	Re: Can Vegas do this? David the question was if it's necessary to use AE for tracking the background motion of hand-held footage in green screen and the answer is yes it's necessary to use AE - Vegas can't do it. I agree with you Vegas is a lot easier to use for many applications but it can't do what Brian is asking for. I know how to use the Chroma Keyer, I love Vegas but there are some things it sucks at.