DVD image is too large - shouldn't be

Mike Kujbida · April 13th, 2011, 09:15 AM

I do 2 hr. DVDs a lot and have no problems fitting them on a single layer DVD.
Use the following Max/Avg/Min numbers and I guarantee that it will fit.
8,000,000 / 4,600,000 / 2,800,000
This assumes AC-3 audio at the default setting.

Arthur Maravelis · April 14th, 2011, 08:20 AM

Well, I downloaded DVDA to try out but the last thing I need right now is to learn another complex bit of software. Burning directly in Vegas was simple and quick for a basic DVD.

The issue remains: burning in Vegas is buggy now that it appears some setting has changed. I have a feeling I need to reset the default settings in whatever codec is used to do a direct burn and retry. But without knowing which one it is it will be trial and error unless someone can shed some light.

Mike Kujbida · April 14th, 2011, 09:17 AM

The problem is that Sony has never shared the information that you want with us.
Like others here, I've used the timeline option when I'm doing a quick and short (under 30 min.) project but that's rare.
DVDA is my preferred method of creating a DVD as you have a LOT more control over everything.
I recommend getting Vol. 1, Issue 7 of Edward's newsletters that deals with DVD creation as it will help to simplify things for you.
While it was written for an earlier version, the basic principles remain the same.
Vol #1, Issue #7

Edward Troxel · April 15th, 2011, 07:39 AM

Arthur, DVD Architect can be as simple. Just go to File - New, select "Single Movie", select the file rendered from Vegas, and then click on Burn.

Arthur Maravelis · April 15th, 2011, 08:00 AM

Thanks guys. Learning DVDA wasn't so difficult after all. I certainly don't need anything fancy to do.

What an adventure! To recap:

1. Vegas specs:

- source: 1280x720x60p
- project length: 01:02:25
- rendered through MainConcept MPEG-2, DVDA NTSC Widescreen Video Stream,16:9, CBR 9264
- I used CBR as Bit Rate Calc showed plenty of space (see next)

2. Bit Rate Calc settings:

- DVD -R 4.70GB disc
- audio: 128 kb/s stereo
- safety factor: 5%
- CBR 9624
- predicted usage (94.6%): 4,462,935,450 bytes
- at recommended rate size: 4,336,710,000 bytes

3. Actual file size on drive after render: 4,798,294 kB (4,913,453,056 bytes)

4. DVDA specs:

- project DVD size lower right corner: 5.1GB, in red
- prepared to burn, DVD, 16:9
- bit rate: 8,000,000

5. After prep phase, project size lower right corner is 4.5GB, in red.

6. Actual file size on drive for all files is 4.14GB (4239.4MB or 4,456,415,232 bytes). Playing one VOB file, format is NOT 16:9 but 4:3.

7. DVDA: go to burn, "Make DVD" window, under Review Message List, Estimated Project size is 4456.8MB.

8. Click on Optimize here and next window shows Estimated Size (below left pane) is 5067.5MB.

9. Still in Optimize window, top right pane Estimated size is 4913.5MB for video, 1.2MB for menus, 45MB for audio. So, 4959.7MB total.

10. Burned DVD and it worked, 16:9 inside 4:3.

Geez!

April 13th, 2011, 09:15 AM	#16
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Re: DVD image is too large - shouldn't be I do 2 hr. DVDs a lot and have no problems fitting them on a single layer DVD. Use the following Max/Avg/Min numbers and I guarantee that it will fit. 8,000,000 / 4,600,000 / 2,800,000 This assumes AC-3 audio at the default setting.

April 14th, 2011, 08:20 AM	#17
Arthur Maravelis New Boot Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Boston, MA USA Posts: 15	Re: DVD image is too large - shouldn't be Well, I downloaded DVDA to try out but the last thing I need right now is to learn another complex bit of software. Burning directly in Vegas was simple and quick for a basic DVD. The issue remains: burning in Vegas is buggy now that it appears some setting has changed. I have a feeling I need to reset the default settings in whatever codec is used to do a direct burn and retry. But without knowing which one it is it will be trial and error unless someone can shed some light.

April 14th, 2011, 09:17 AM	#18
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Re: DVD image is too large - shouldn't be The problem is that Sony has never shared the information that you want with us. Like others here, I've used the timeline option when I'm doing a quick and short (under 30 min.) project but that's rare. DVDA is my preferred method of creating a DVD as you have a LOT more control over everything. I recommend getting Vol. 1, Issue 7 of Edward's newsletters that deals with DVD creation as it will help to simplify things for you. While it was written for an earlier version, the basic principles remain the same. Vol #1, Issue #7

April 15th, 2011, 07:39 AM	#19
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: DVD image is too large - shouldn't be Arthur, DVD Architect can be as simple. Just go to File - New, select "Single Movie", select the file rendered from Vegas, and then click on Burn. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 15th, 2011, 08:00 AM	#20
Arthur Maravelis New Boot Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Boston, MA USA Posts: 15	Re: DVD image is too large - shouldn't be Thanks guys. Learning DVDA wasn't so difficult after all. I certainly don't need anything fancy to do. What an adventure! To recap: 1. Vegas specs: - source: 1280x720x60p - project length: 01:02:25 - rendered through MainConcept MPEG-2, DVDA NTSC Widescreen Video Stream,16:9, CBR 9264 - I used CBR as Bit Rate Calc showed plenty of space (see next) 2. Bit Rate Calc settings: - DVD -R 4.70GB disc - audio: 128 kb/s stereo - safety factor: 5% - CBR 9624 - predicted usage (94.6%): 4,462,935,450 bytes - at recommended rate size: 4,336,710,000 bytes 3. Actual file size on drive after render: 4,798,294 kB (4,913,453,056 bytes) 4. DVDA specs: - project DVD size lower right corner: 5.1GB, in red - prepared to burn, DVD, 16:9 - bit rate: 8,000,000 5. After prep phase, project size lower right corner is 4.5GB, in red. 6. Actual file size on drive for all files is 4.14GB (4239.4MB or 4,456,415,232 bytes). Playing one VOB file, format is NOT 16:9 but 4:3. 7. DVDA: go to burn, "Make DVD" window, under Review Message List, Estimated Project size is 4456.8MB. 8. Click on Optimize here and next window shows Estimated Size (below left pane) is 5067.5MB. 9. Still in Optimize window, top right pane Estimated size is 4913.5MB for video, 1.2MB for menus, 45MB for audio. So, 4959.7MB total. 10. Burned DVD and it worked, 16:9 inside 4:3. Geez!