Red Giant dumps Vegas? at DVinfo.net

Nicholas de Kock · February 21st, 2011, 07:10 PM

Has anyone noticed that Red Gaint no longer supports Sony Vegas 10 anymore so there is no way to buy Magic Bullet Looks for the latest Vegas! I wonder if they are aware how many professionals actually edit on Vegas? They claim that it's not worth the development costs since not enough people are buying for Vegas, I say this is a bad business decision, they haven't really ever development anything proper for Vegas to begin with, how can we buy software that doesnt exist? I'm very disapointed!

Randall Leong · February 21st, 2011, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicholas de Kock

Has anyone noticed that Red Gaint no longer supports Sony Vegas 10 anymore so there is no way to buy Magic Bullet Looks for the latest Vegas! I wonder if they are aware how many professionals actually edit on Vegas? They claim that it's not worth the development costs since not enough people are buying for Vegas, I say this is a bad business decision, they haven't really ever development anything proper for Vegas to begin with, how can we buy software that doesnt exist? I'm very disapointed!

Actually, Red Giant does not support any 64-bit version of Vegas, for that matter... :(

Leslie Wand · February 21st, 2011, 07:38 PM

this has been brought up on a couple of other news groups as well.....

i had looks on 9, but having gone 10/64bit i just haven't bothered with plugins per se. i was never that enamoured with looks, other than it's simplicity.

frankly i think there's going to be a whole new plethora of ofx plugins coming along in the future - genarts have sapphire and monster for vegas, and they are REALLY serious players. then there's boris 7, not that it's all that stable at present, but these things will sort themselves out.

personally i'm sick to death of beautifully manipulated crap with absolutely no content - (like most music videos, for which most cc'ing plugins were probably developed for!).

at the end of the day, if anyone is so dependent on a plugin, they obviously haven't got the right nle ;-)

Jeff Harper · March 2nd, 2011, 01:27 AM

Nicholas, Red Giant has never embraced Vegas, unless I'm mistaken. Vegas was an afterthought.

Bad business decision by Red Giant? I find it easy to believe that Vegas does not have the market share required to justify developing products for it. I've always hated that about Vegas, but is it the great truth we must accept. Vegas is pretty much on the fringe, no matter how much you and I like it.

Larry Secrest · March 2nd, 2011, 05:31 AM

And why would you even consider using Magic Bullet? You mean, you've ever come across a video worked through magic bullet that was not too processed? Are you saying that Vegas color correction is not enough? If it's the case, I strongly disagree. I've used Magic Bullet before, this is really the plug in I could go without. Makes you lazy. You don't need it.

Jeff Harper · March 2nd, 2011, 08:02 AM

Magic Bullet has very nice film effects, and while not perfect, is a very nice plug in for those that use it.

Why should I use a car wash to clean my car, when I could use a hose at home and do it myself?

Because I can.

I loved MB, but I gave it up due to rendering times and non 64bit support.

Sean Seah · March 2nd, 2011, 09:59 AM

disappointing. That was the very reason which i went for FCP. However i still love Vegas and use it for most of my work. I have gone away from MB Looks at cc solely within Vegas.

Marc Salvatore · March 2nd, 2011, 02:41 PM

I am able to achieve subtle looks with MB that I am just not able to do in Vegas. Used in moderation it's a truly great plugin and I still use Vegas 32bit because of it.

Rob Wood · March 2nd, 2011, 02:46 PM

i just wanted them to make Colorista for Vegas 64bit <sigh>

D.J. Ammons · March 2nd, 2011, 05:33 PM

Does anybody know what the annual sales figures are for Vegas Pro vs Adobe Premeire, Final Cut Pro, and Avid? I would have thought that due to the price advantage Sony would have good volume.

Jim Snow · March 2nd, 2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by D.J. Ammons

Does anybody know what the annual sales figures are for Vegas Pro vs Adobe Premeire, Final Cut Pro, and Avid? I would have thought that due to the price advantage Sony would have good volume.

I suspect the marketing demographics are a bit more complicated than that. A significant question is what percentage of Vegas users are likely potential customers for Red Giant's relatively expensive plug-ins compared to other more expensive NLE's. There is a general perception that Vegas isn't used as often with professional editors. I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions but they look at the overall potential available market, not just a subset of it.

Leslie Wand · March 2nd, 2011, 06:53 PM

i think jim's probably right - no matter how much i (we?) love vegas, we are really a niche market with (from what i gather reading the various ng's) mainly event and advanced hobbyists. and this is likely to remain so as long as vegas fails to provide 'professional' features, not least time code / edl / collaborative services.

that said, we were being asked to pay a premium price for a relatively limited plug in. by that i mean it's sole function was 'looks', not like bcc7 which offers a range of utilities.

i'm sure vegas's user base is nowhere near the size of ppro, avid, fcp, and until it is we wont see many more plugins developed for it, unless they're ofx.

Jeff Harper · March 2nd, 2011, 09:45 PM

Leslie, I've said what you have said many times.

Leslie Wand · March 2nd, 2011, 10:31 PM

i know jeff, i know......

and obviously i do accept it - hence my apathetic defence of vegas.

Jeff Harper · March 2nd, 2011, 10:37 PM

Leslie, when I re-read my post, it sounded like I was telling you to accept it, but that is NOT what I meant. You already know, of course, and I kind of meant we all need to accept it, not just you and I. I just removed the remark to be safe!

Glad you posted, always like your remarks.

February 21st, 2011, 07:10 PM	#1
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	Red Giant dumps Vegas? Has anyone noticed that Red Gaint no longer supports Sony Vegas 10 anymore so there is no way to buy Magic Bullet Looks for the latest Vegas! I wonder if they are aware how many professionals actually edit on Vegas? They claim that it's not worth the development costs since not enough people are buying for Vegas, I say this is a bad business decision, they haven't really ever development anything proper for Vegas to begin with, how can we buy software that doesnt exist? I'm very disapointed!

February 21st, 2011, 07:38 PM	#3
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? this has been brought up on a couple of other news groups as well..... i had looks on 9, but having gone 10/64bit i just haven't bothered with plugins per se. i was never that enamoured with looks, other than it's simplicity. frankly i think there's going to be a whole new plethora of ofx plugins coming along in the future - genarts have sapphire and monster for vegas, and they are REALLY serious players. then there's boris 7, not that it's all that stable at present, but these things will sort themselves out. personally i'm sick to death of beautifully manipulated crap with absolutely no content - (like most music videos, for which most cc'ing plugins were probably developed for!). at the end of the day, if anyone is so dependent on a plugin, they obviously haven't got the right nle ;-) __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

March 2nd, 2011, 01:27 AM	#4
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? Nicholas, Red Giant has never embraced Vegas, unless I'm mistaken. Vegas was an afterthought. Bad business decision by Red Giant? I find it easy to believe that Vegas does not have the market share required to justify developing products for it. I've always hated that about Vegas, but is it the great truth we must accept. Vegas is pretty much on the fringe, no matter how much you and I like it. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

March 2nd, 2011, 05:31 AM	#5
Larry Secrest Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 404	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? And why would you even consider using Magic Bullet? You mean, you've ever come across a video worked through magic bullet that was not too processed? Are you saying that Vegas color correction is not enough? If it's the case, I strongly disagree. I've used Magic Bullet before, this is really the plug in I could go without. Makes you lazy. You don't need it.

March 2nd, 2011, 08:02 AM	#6
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? Magic Bullet has very nice film effects, and while not perfect, is a very nice plug in for those that use it. Why should I use a car wash to clean my car, when I could use a hose at home and do it myself? Because I can. I loved MB, but I gave it up due to rendering times and non 64bit support. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

March 2nd, 2011, 09:59 AM	#7
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? disappointing. That was the very reason which i went for FCP. However i still love Vegas and use it for most of my work. I have gone away from MB Looks at cc solely within Vegas. __________________ Firewerkz Films SGP

March 2nd, 2011, 02:41 PM	#8
Marc Salvatore Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Medford, OR Posts: 351	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? I am able to achieve subtle looks with MB that I am just not able to do in Vegas. Used in moderation it's a truly great plugin and I still use Vegas 32bit because of it.

March 2nd, 2011, 02:46 PM	#9
Rob Wood Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 146	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? i just wanted them to make Colorista for Vegas 64bit <sigh>

March 2nd, 2011, 05:33 PM	#10
D.J. Ammons Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 506	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? Does anybody know what the annual sales figures are for Vegas Pro vs Adobe Premeire, Final Cut Pro, and Avid? I would have thought that due to the price advantage Sony would have good volume.

March 2nd, 2011, 06:53 PM	#12
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? i think jim's probably right - no matter how much i (we?) love vegas, we are really a niche market with (from what i gather reading the various ng's) mainly event and advanced hobbyists. and this is likely to remain so as long as vegas fails to provide 'professional' features, not least time code / edl / collaborative services. that said, we were being asked to pay a premium price for a relatively limited plug in. by that i mean it's sole function was 'looks', not like bcc7 which offers a range of utilities. i'm sure vegas's user base is nowhere near the size of ppro, avid, fcp, and until it is we wont see many more plugins developed for it, unless they're ofx. __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

March 2nd, 2011, 09:45 PM	#13
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? Leslie, I've said what you have said many times. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described." Last edited by Jeff Harper; March 2nd, 2011 at 10:34 PM.

March 2nd, 2011, 10:31 PM	#14
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? i know jeff, i know...... and obviously i do accept it - hence my apathetic defence of vegas. __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

March 2nd, 2011, 10:37 PM	#15
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Red Giant dumps Vegas? Leslie, when I re-read my post, it sounded like I was telling you to accept it, but that is NOT what I meant. You already know, of course, and I kind of meant we all need to accept it, not just you and I. I just removed the remark to be safe! Glad you posted, always like your remarks. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."