Shooting Vertically in 16:9 at DVinfo.net

David Ruhland · February 8th, 2011, 12:05 PM

Can you turn your camcorder VERTICAL and shoot in a 16:9 aspect ratio and then render it out like that?

I tried it and cant seem to make it work, but a coworker claims he is able to do it...We both are using Canon HF200 but I use Sony Vegas and he has Power Director by Sonic...

Mike Kujbida · February 8th, 2011, 01:58 PM

Open up the Project Properties window and set your Output Rotation as desired.
Choices are 0° (original), 90° CW, 180° (inverted) and 90° CCW.
Remember to rotate your source video accordingly (-90°) using Pan/Crop as Vegas doesn't automatically do this for you.

David Ruhland · February 9th, 2011, 07:51 AM

so i have set my project properties to rotate 90 i have used pan and zoom to turn the video -90 all i get is a hole big area of letterboxing surrounding the video...I must have something screwed up in the settings

Jeff Harper · February 9th, 2011, 08:23 AM

Of course, it only makes sense, think about it. On a normal TV that is what you would end up with because of the shape of a TV.

On the other hand, doesn't vegas have a feature that allows formatting for vertical screens, such as the ones you see in the mall and in stores, and in banks? I thought that was a feature introduced in 8 or 9.

I did a quick check but cannot find any presets for it.

Mike Kujbida · February 9th, 2011, 08:36 AM

Jeff, the Output Rotation preset I mentioned is what you're looking for.
This feature was introduced in Pro 8.
The online help menu has the details for it under "Digital Signage".
As you said, you need to shoot with this rotated format in mind.

Jeff Harper · February 9th, 2011, 09:01 AM

Duh, I read your post, but didn't really try it out, sorry! Thanks Mike. That is a wonderful feature.

Mike Kujbida · February 9th, 2011, 09:18 AM

Here's a screen shot from some playing around with this feature and shooting video with a camera that was rotated on purpose.

Jeff Harper · February 9th, 2011, 09:55 AM

Thanks for the sample Mike. Lots of potential with that feature.

David Ruhland · February 9th, 2011, 12:01 PM

Mike... How much for the CRT monitor in the pic? HA HA...

Hey im not doin so well here...

Mike Kujbida · February 9th, 2011, 12:15 PM

David, if you're talking about the one on the top shelf, it's a priceless antique :)
To wit, a Commodore 2080, the only high persistence video/computer monitor for its time.

The one in the middle is a Tektronix 650, in its day a state-of-the-art broadcast colour monitor.

I really need to an office clean out one of these years.

February 8th, 2011, 12:05 PM	#1
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	Shooting Vertically in 16:9 Can you turn your camcorder VERTICAL and shoot in a 16:9 aspect ratio and then render it out like that? I tried it and cant seem to make it work, but a coworker claims he is able to do it...We both are using Canon HF200 but I use Sony Vegas and he has Power Director by Sonic... __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram

February 9th, 2011, 07:51 AM	#3
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	so i have set my project properties to rotate 90 i have used pan and zoom to turn the video -90 all i get is a hole big area of letterboxing surrounding the video...I must have something screwed up in the settings __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram

February 9th, 2011, 08:23 AM	#4
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Of course, it only makes sense, think about it. On a normal TV that is what you would end up with because of the shape of a TV. On the other hand, doesn't vegas have a feature that allows formatting for vertical screens, such as the ones you see in the mall and in stores, and in banks? I thought that was a feature introduced in 8 or 9. I did a quick check but cannot find any presets for it. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

February 9th, 2011, 09:01 AM	#6
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Duh, I read your post, but didn't really try it out, sorry! Thanks Mike. That is a wonderful feature. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

February 9th, 2011, 09:18 AM	#7
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Here's a screen shot from some playing around with this feature and shooting video with a camera that was rotated on purpose. Attached Thumbnails

February 8th, 2011, 01:58 PM	#2
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Open up the Project Properties window and set your Output Rotation as desired. Choices are 0° (original), 90° CW, 180° (inverted) and 90° CCW. Remember to rotate your source video accordingly (-90°) using Pan/Crop as Vegas doesn't automatically do this for you.

February 9th, 2011, 08:36 AM	#5
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Jeff, the Output Rotation preset I mentioned is what you're looking for. This feature was introduced in Pro 8. The online help menu has the details for it under "Digital Signage". As you said, you need to shoot with this rotated format in mind.

February 9th, 2011, 09:55 AM	#8
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Thanks for the sample Mike. Lots of potential with that feature. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

February 9th, 2011, 12:01 PM	#9
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	Mike... How much for the CRT monitor in the pic? HA HA... Hey im not doin so well here... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram

February 9th, 2011, 12:15 PM	#10
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	David, if you're talking about the one on the top shelf, it's a priceless antique :) To wit, a Commodore 2080, the only high persistence video/computer monitor for its time. The one in the middle is a Tektronix 650, in its day a state-of-the-art broadcast colour monitor. I really need to an office clean out one of these years.