VMS10 wont recognise camera with DV tape. at DVinfo.net

Warren Eagleton · December 18th, 2010, 06:35 PM

I usually capture HDV no problem from my HVR-A1P in VMS Platinum 10. However the other day I wanted to capture a standard def DV tape. Set the camera 'VCR HDV/DV' setting to DV and made sure the 'iLINK CONV ' to OFF. I then connected the iLINK cable from the computer and powered up the camera selecting 'Play/Edit'. To my surprise the camera was not able to be detected by VMS10 capture.
I left the camera connected and exited VMS10 and selected my TMPGEnc Works 4 software and that recognised the camera and so did MS Movie maker. This has got me stumped! I have checked the project properties and the options menu and can't see anything amiss. Has anyone got ideas??

Mike Kujbida · December 18th, 2010, 07:24 PM

You have VMS defaulted to do an HDV capture.
You need to change it back to DV which is found (in Pro anyway) in Options - Prefs - Video.

Warren Eagleton · December 18th, 2010, 09:16 PM

Sorry no such selection on the preferences / video menu in VMS Platinum 10. That would have been helpful to have had that choice.

Mike Kujbida · December 18th, 2010, 09:45 PM

I browsed the Sony VMS site and found the following info.
Hope it helps.

On Movie Studio 9 Platinum Pro Pack, there are two capture options -- DV and HDV. For each you can set your capture preferences to "Enable DV Scene Selection" or "Enable HDV Scene Selection," respectively.

Capture Preferences menu:
In DV capture it's Project - Capture Video - DV
In HDV capture it's Project - Capture Video - HDV

Warren Eagleton · December 19th, 2010, 08:52 PM

Thanks Mike for your effort in researching version 9. However in VMS 10 Platinum if you go to Project/Capture/Prefs/ you only get the option to tick a box that says 'Enable HDV scene detection' even when you untick this box it still dosn't help and no device is detected. There is not clear cut choice for DV or HDV. Of course the other afore mentioned software 'Works 4' and 'Movie Maker' works fine.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · December 20th, 2010, 02:52 AM

Very strange. I just fired up VMS 10 and went to file/capture and there was the choice to tick SD or HDV...

Warren Eagleton · December 20th, 2010, 03:53 PM

Thanks Robin for joining in the discussion. Good to see you have a copy of SONY Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum ver10. I have included three pictures one of the screen after File/Capture/Pref's are selected then one of each extent of the 'pref' drop down. Thats all I get. Would love to see the screen you manage to get. Maybe I have a file missing with my program?? I normally work only in HDV but this was one occasion where I wanted to just capture some DV footage from my SONY HVR-A1P but to no avail. The camera settings are good as I think I have proved in the previous posts. I would value your or anyones response. Cheers, have a great Christmas. Its 25deg C and 80%+ humidity here in NZ.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · December 20th, 2010, 05:23 PM

Warren,
When I open up the DV capture dialogue, my capture box looks like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...turescreen.jpg

As you can see at the top, it is using a Sony Video Capture plugin, version 6.0
I know it says "device communication error" but that's because my camera wasn't available tonight, but it would have worked fine otherwise.
You don't seem to be seeing the same capture box...

Jim Andrada · December 20th, 2010, 08:26 PM

Don't know about version 10 or VMS but didn't Vegas used to want an "external" capture program for DV? And there was some Sony capture program available as I recall. And the program had to be selected somewhere in Options.

Haven't been able to really check as the machine that has Version 9 & 10 has been acting up and is off for service so apologies if I'm out of date.

Warren Eagleton · December 20th, 2010, 09:25 PM

Well Robin I guess in a roundabout way you are telling me that VMS10 as sold requires an additional peice of software in the form of a plugin to capture DV. This is not part of the SONY Vegas Movie Studio Platinum ver 10 download. Now it is crystal clear how come you were able to capture DV and I am not. Thanks for letting me know. Cheers to all that responded & have a great white Christmas.

Seth Bloombaum · December 20th, 2010, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren Eagleton

Well Robin I guess in a roundabout way you are telling me that VMS10 as sold requires an additional peice of software in the form of a plugin to capture DV. This is not part of the SONY Vegas Movie Studio Platinum ver 10 download...

This may be incorrect.

Your screenshots show the HDV "internal" capture app, and the capture prefs.

Strangely, capture prefs is not where you select the HDV or DV capture utilities.

In Pro it's in:
Tools | Options | Video | Use external video capture application | C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas Movie Studio 10.0\VidCap60.EXE

You can also open vidcap60.exe by double-clicking on it in the above program files folder. Note that DV uses the "external" application, HDV is done with the "internal" application. Not very intuitive.

I suspect it's in the same place in VMS - let us know!

Jim Andrada · December 20th, 2010, 10:05 PM

OK - I was able to take a look at a Vegas 10 installation, and went to Options-> Preferences -> Video and it looks exactly like all the other versions of Vegas that I have.

They still do DV the exact same way as in Vegas 8/9, ie they need an "external video capture application" and they have automatically filled in a link to VidCap60.exe which was automatically installed in the Vegas 10 program directory.

Have you checked to see whether VMS also did this? From what Robin said it looks like they are doing things exactly the same way as always even in VMS. If so all you would have to do is check the box that tells them to use the application they may have already installed for you.

Warren Eagleton · December 20th, 2010, 10:34 PM

I was just coming back to the forum to tell you all I figured it out, but you beat me to it. You recall I said I always work in HDV, well in Options/Preferences/Video tab the tick box for 'Use external video capture application' was unticked. That was a default I think. By ticking it when I hit the capture button a totally new screen appeared 'Sony Video Capture 6'. You are right its all there and has been all the time. I know I am covered in egg but it was worth it. Thanks all so much, so simple but its a show stopper if you don't know. Just shows me we never stop learning.

Jim Andrada · December 20th, 2010, 11:34 PM

Glad you got it! Yes - it's a strange place to hide the parameter, but I believe it can also point to a separate app for HDV if you wish - something like Cineform perhaps. People do use other capture apps, so I think it's nice of them to recognize that fact, I just have no idea why they don't handle DV themselves. Must be historic reasons or something.

December 18th, 2010, 06:35 PM	#1
Warren Eagleton Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Auckland, New Zealand. Posts: 52	VMS10 wont recognise camera with DV tape. I usually capture HDV no problem from my HVR-A1P in VMS Platinum 10. However the other day I wanted to capture a standard def DV tape. Set the camera 'VCR HDV/DV' setting to DV and made sure the 'iLINK CONV ' to OFF. I then connected the iLINK cable from the computer and powered up the camera selecting 'Play/Edit'. To my surprise the camera was not able to be detected by VMS10 capture. I left the camera connected and exited VMS10 and selected my TMPGEnc Works 4 software and that recognised the camera and so did MS Movie maker. This has got me stumped! I have checked the project properties and the options menu and can't see anything amiss. Has anyone got ideas??

December 18th, 2010, 09:16 PM	#3
Warren Eagleton Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Auckland, New Zealand. Posts: 52	VMS10 won't recognise camera with DV tape. Sorry no such selection on the preferences / video menu in VMS Platinum 10. That would have been helpful to have had that choice.

December 19th, 2010, 08:52 PM	#5
Warren Eagleton Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Auckland, New Zealand. Posts: 52	VMS10 won't recognise camera with DV tape. Thanks Mike for your effort in researching version 9. However in VMS 10 Platinum if you go to Project/Capture/Prefs/ you only get the option to tick a box that says 'Enable HDV scene detection' even when you untick this box it still dosn't help and no device is detected. There is not clear cut choice for DV or HDV. Of course the other afore mentioned software 'Works 4' and 'Movie Maker' works fine.

December 20th, 2010, 03:53 PM	#7
Warren Eagleton Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Auckland, New Zealand. Posts: 52	VMS10 won't recognise camera with DV tape. Thanks Robin for joining in the discussion. Good to see you have a copy of SONY Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum ver10. I have included three pictures one of the screen after File/Capture/Pref's are selected then one of each extent of the 'pref' drop down. Thats all I get. Would love to see the screen you manage to get. Maybe I have a file missing with my program?? I normally work only in HDV but this was one occasion where I wanted to just capture some DV footage from my SONY HVR-A1P but to no avail. The camera settings are good as I think I have proved in the previous posts. I would value your or anyones response. Cheers, have a great Christmas. Its 25deg C and 80%+ humidity here in NZ. Attached Thumbnails

December 20th, 2010, 09:25 PM	#10
Warren Eagleton Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Auckland, New Zealand. Posts: 52	VMS10 won't recognise camera with DV tape. Well Robin I guess in a roundabout way you are telling me that VMS10 as sold requires an additional peice of software in the form of a plugin to capture DV. This is not part of the SONY Vegas Movie Studio Platinum ver 10 download. Now it is crystal clear how come you were able to capture DV and I am not. Thanks for letting me know. Cheers to all that responded & have a great white Christmas. Last edited by Warren Eagleton; December 20th, 2010 at 09:39 PM. Reason: spelling error

December 18th, 2010, 07:24 PM	#2
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	You have VMS defaulted to do an HDV capture. You need to change it back to DV which is found (in Pro anyway) in Options - Prefs - Video.

December 18th, 2010, 09:45 PM	#4
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	I browsed the Sony VMS site and found the following info. Hope it helps. On Movie Studio 9 Platinum Pro Pack, there are two capture options -- DV and HDV. For each you can set your capture preferences to "Enable DV Scene Selection" or "Enable HDV Scene Selection," respectively. Capture Preferences menu: In DV capture it's Project - Capture Video - DV In HDV capture it's Project - Capture Video - HDV

December 20th, 2010, 02:52 AM	#6
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	Very strange. I just fired up VMS 10 and went to file/capture and there was the choice to tick SD or HDV...

December 20th, 2010, 05:23 PM	#8
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	Warren, When I open up the DV capture dialogue, my capture box looks like this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...turescreen.jpg As you can see at the top, it is using a Sony Video Capture plugin, version 6.0 I know it says "device communication error" but that's because my camera wasn't available tonight, but it would have worked fine otherwise. You don't seem to be seeing the same capture box...

December 20th, 2010, 08:26 PM	#9
Jim Andrada Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 2,211	Don't know about version 10 or VMS but didn't Vegas used to want an "external" capture program for DV? And there was some Sony capture program available as I recall. And the program had to be selected somewhere in Options. Haven't been able to really check as the machine that has Version 9 & 10 has been acting up and is off for service so apologies if I'm out of date.

December 20th, 2010, 10:05 PM	#12
Jim Andrada Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 2,211	OK - I was able to take a look at a Vegas 10 installation, and went to Options-> Preferences -> Video and it looks exactly like all the other versions of Vegas that I have. They still do DV the exact same way as in Vegas 8/9, ie they need an "external video capture application" and they have automatically filled in a link to VidCap60.exe which was automatically installed in the Vegas 10 program directory. Have you checked to see whether VMS also did this? From what Robin said it looks like they are doing things exactly the same way as always even in VMS. If so all you would have to do is check the box that tells them to use the application they may have already installed for you.

December 20th, 2010, 10:34 PM	#13
Warren Eagleton Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Auckland, New Zealand. Posts: 52	OK OK its all go now!!!!! I was just coming back to the forum to tell you all I figured it out, but you beat me to it. You recall I said I always work in HDV, well in Options/Preferences/Video tab the tick box for 'Use external video capture application' was unticked. That was a default I think. By ticking it when I hit the capture button a totally new screen appeared 'Sony Video Capture 6'. You are right its all there and has been all the time. I know I am covered in egg but it was worth it. Thanks all so much, so simple but its a show stopper if you don't know. Just shows me we never stop learning.

December 20th, 2010, 11:34 PM	#14
Jim Andrada Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 2,211	Glad you got it! Yes - it's a strange place to hide the parameter, but I believe it can also point to a separate app for HDV if you wish - something like Cineform perhaps. People do use other capture apps, so I think it's nice of them to recognize that fact, I just have no idea why they don't handle DV themselves. Must be historic reasons or something.