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Gustavo Nardelli · August 5th, 2005, 11:29 PM

Hi.

I just got some footage to edit from my son's 1st birthday party. I hired two camera man to get the job done. Point is one of the cameras didn't have clock/time adjusted and is set to zero. Is there a way to deal with this situation in vegas? I heard something about the timecode, but so far I'm lost.

Any help will be very welcome.

TIA

Glenn Chan · August 6th, 2005, 12:40 AM

If date/time wasn't set, you can't do DV start/stop scene detection (I think it's called scene detection in Vegas). Options:
A- Purchase Scenalyzer
B- Log and capture, or some other variation on manually breaking up clips.

date/time doesn't affect timecode as far as I know.

Peter Jefferson · August 6th, 2005, 06:21 AM

or the easy no brainer way would be to capture both tapes as is..
forget about time code.. it wont make a difference anywyas especially if one camera is off by afew seconds.. its futile..
if one camera triggers the other, then its another story...

create 2 timelines and find an audio point of reference which is shared by both

sync the two down to the frame by zooming in.. u might need to turn off qualtize to frames to do this..

once synced, there are a variety of ways to multicam.. whether it be track motion manipulation, runnign ascript tool like excalibur or ultimate S or jsut by showing automation controls and muting/unmuitng the track as its played back...

Gustavo Nardelli · August 6th, 2005, 06:36 PM

What advantage can I take from using Scenalyzer? What is it good for?

Glenn Chan · August 7th, 2005, 03:13 AM

When Vegas captures, it can break up clips where you turn the camera on/off.

I presumed that it is what you were looking for.

2- What is your problem/issue? What is it that you want to do?

I believe I misunderstood you.

Don Bloom · August 7th, 2005, 07:55 AM

It seems to me you are interested in figuring out HOW to edit clips from 2 different cameras using Vegas. Perhaps I'm wrong. If thats the case please let us know so we can give you the correct information. It is really quite simple in Vegas.

Don

Gustavo Nardelli · August 7th, 2005, 10:15 AM

I think I didn't make myself clear at first place. So, let's try again.

I want to be able to edit clips, that have been already captured sucessfully without drop outs in vegas. I have footage from two diferent cameras from my son's 1st birthday party.

How do I syncronize the clips, being given that each one is already placed on a track?

For instance, as the CAM1 was taking shots of the guests that arrives I would like to change view to CAM2 that was showing my kid playing.

Can it be done? Do I need Ultimate S ou Excalibur in order to achive that?

Kindest Regards,
Gustavo

Mike Kujbida · August 7th, 2005, 11:20 AM

Gustavo, it can be done very easily in Vegas. Go to Edward Troxel's site at www.jetdv.com, click Newsletter Archive, and grab Vol 1 #09 July 2003. The first article is "Editing Multi-Cam Events" and he walks you through it. While you're there, grab the rest of them as they're an excellent resource.

Mike

Gustavo Nardelli · August 11th, 2005, 08:43 PM

I finally made it. Edward's newsletter is a must for begginers.

Matt Champagne · August 11th, 2005, 11:02 PM

Quote:

For instance, as the CAM1 was taking shots of the guests that arrives I would like to change view to CAM2 that was showing my kid playing.

Perhaps I'm not following exactly...but why does it have to be in sync? You simply want to tell a coherent story of what happened...so why does it matter if the various clips even occurred anywhere near the same time...or even the same day? You make a sub clip of the guests arriving, make a subclip of the kids, then smack those two together. Which camera actually shot it is largely irrelevant unless there image settings are drastically different. Just take all your clips you like, throw out the ones you don't and make it look like a birthday party.

That way you can avoid videos that are like my old birthday videos from when I was a kid....with 20 minute scenes of peoples rear ends because my grandma left the camera on while she went talk to people.

Devin Eskew · August 12th, 2005, 08:08 AM

Personal taste, editors are like chefs not everyones dish turns out quite the same. We simply season to taste.

Gustavo Nardelli · August 12th, 2005, 01:35 PM

It would make my job much easier if I had the cameras sync. Switching from both cameras as the candle was lighted, from diferent angles... anyway... I thought I could be easier. But now, I found a way to do it. It's the best way? Can tell you. All I know is I got 5 hours of tape to edit.

I have the 5 hours already captured on HD.

Devin Eskew · August 12th, 2005, 02:05 PM

Has anyone mentioned to you Edward Troxel's Excalibur? I must tell you to try out the trial 15 day version. Not only will it make editing two cameras a snap! It will also help you with camera sync. I may find that is more than worth the price to buy it! Check out Jetdv.com and look in the news letters, you should find it most helpful! Are you capturing all 5hrs of footage?

Patrick King · August 12th, 2005, 02:19 PM

I'm with Devin, Excalibur will pay for itself on the very first multi-cam project you work. Or on the first photo montage you assemble. Top shelf tool, especially with the latest improvements.

Gustavo Nardelli · August 12th, 2005, 08:39 PM

Downloading the Trial version now...

August 5th, 2005, 11:29 PM	#1
Gustavo Nardelli Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brasília-DF Posts: 28	Two Camera Editing Hi. I just got some footage to edit from my son's 1st birthday party. I hired two camera man to get the job done. Point is one of the cameras didn't have clock/time adjusted and is set to zero. Is there a way to deal with this situation in vegas? I heard something about the timecode, but so far I'm lost. Any help will be very welcome. TIA

August 6th, 2005, 06:36 PM	#4
Gustavo Nardelli Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brasília-DF Posts: 28	About Scenalyzer What advantage can I take from using Scenalyzer? What is it good for?

August 7th, 2005, 10:15 AM	#7
Gustavo Nardelli Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brasília-DF Posts: 28	Explanations I think I didn't make myself clear at first place. So, let's try again. I want to be able to edit clips, that have been already captured sucessfully without drop outs in vegas. I have footage from two diferent cameras from my son's 1st birthday party. How do I syncronize the clips, being given that each one is already placed on a track? For instance, as the CAM1 was taking shots of the guests that arrives I would like to change view to CAM2 that was showing my kid playing. Can it be done? Do I need Ultimate S ou Excalibur in order to achive that? Kindest Regards, Gustavo

August 11th, 2005, 08:43 PM	#9
Gustavo Nardelli Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brasília-DF Posts: 28	Thanks guys I finally made it. Edward's newsletter is a must for begginers.

August 12th, 2005, 08:08 AM	#11
Devin Eskew Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 115	Personal taste, editors are like chefs not everyones dish turns out quite the same. We simply season to taste. __________________ We learn by doing, we learn better by making mistakes!

August 6th, 2005, 12:40 AM	#2
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	If date/time wasn't set, you can't do DV start/stop scene detection (I think it's called scene detection in Vegas). Options: A- Purchase Scenalyzer B- Log and capture, or some other variation on manually breaking up clips. date/time doesn't affect timecode as far as I know.

August 6th, 2005, 06:21 AM	#3
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	or the easy no brainer way would be to capture both tapes as is.. forget about time code.. it wont make a difference anywyas especially if one camera is off by afew seconds.. its futile.. if one camera triggers the other, then its another story... create 2 timelines and find an audio point of reference which is shared by both sync the two down to the frame by zooming in.. u might need to turn off qualtize to frames to do this.. once synced, there are a variety of ways to multicam.. whether it be track motion manipulation, runnign ascript tool like excalibur or ultimate S or jsut by showing automation controls and muting/unmuitng the track as its played back...

August 7th, 2005, 03:13 AM	#5
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	When Vegas captures, it can break up clips where you turn the camera on/off. I presumed that it is what you were looking for. 2- What is your problem/issue? What is it that you want to do? I believe I misunderstood you.

August 7th, 2005, 07:55 AM	#6
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	It seems to me you are interested in figuring out HOW to edit clips from 2 different cameras using Vegas. Perhaps I'm wrong. If thats the case please let us know so we can give you the correct information. It is really quite simple in Vegas. Don

August 7th, 2005, 11:20 AM	#8
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Gustavo, it can be done very easily in Vegas. Go to Edward Troxel's site at www.jetdv.com, click Newsletter Archive, and grab Vol 1 #09 July 2003. The first article is "Editing Multi-Cam Events" and he walks you through it. While you're there, grab the rest of them as they're an excellent resource. Mike

August 12th, 2005, 01:35 PM	#12
Gustavo Nardelli Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brasília-DF Posts: 28	It would make my job much easier if I had the cameras sync. Switching from both cameras as the candle was lighted, from diferent angles... anyway... I thought I could be easier. But now, I found a way to do it. It's the best way? Can tell you. All I know is I got 5 hours of tape to edit. I have the 5 hours already captured on HD. Last edited by Gustavo Nardelli; August 12th, 2005 at 08:40 PM.

August 12th, 2005, 02:05 PM	#13
Devin Eskew Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 115	Has anyone mentioned to you Edward Troxel's Excalibur? I must tell you to try out the trial 15 day version. Not only will it make editing two cameras a snap! It will also help you with camera sync. I may find that is more than worth the price to buy it! Check out Jetdv.com and look in the news letters, you should find it most helpful! Are you capturing all 5hrs of footage? __________________ We learn by doing, we learn better by making mistakes!

August 12th, 2005, 02:19 PM	#14
Patrick King Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Enterprise, AL Posts: 857	I'm with Devin, Excalibur will pay for itself on the very first multi-cam project you work. Or on the first photo montage you assemble. Top shelf tool, especially with the latest improvements. __________________ Fear No Weevil!

August 12th, 2005, 08:39 PM	#15
Gustavo Nardelli Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brasília-DF Posts: 28	Downloading the Trial version now...