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Gustavs Repse · December 12th, 2010, 05:12 PM

Hello.

Well, Vegas is once again crashing every single Render i make.

Wont even bother trying to fix it. Im done with that, il start saving for new pc that can handle the ram usage vegas ask . These reacuring crashes in each project i make are sucking all the joy out :(

I rendered out the video by small parts, so i need to connect them now.

I tried one ap, but it totaly destroyed the quality.

Could you recoment a good free soft that can connect my video peeces smoothly and w/o quality loss?

Those are mp4 files, afaik. Had my 550d footage transcoded to Neoscene and all i can render out is araund 40 sec worth of video.

Gustavs Repse · December 13th, 2010, 08:41 AM

Ok guys.

Rly need ur help on this one.

Drop ur 2 cents of mind plz

Mike Kujbida · December 13th, 2010, 09:11 AM

We need a lot more information as Neoscene is used by several folks with no issues at all.
What version of Vegas are you using?
Is it Pro or Movie Studio?
What's your CPU, OS, RAM, number and size of hard drives?

Gustavs Repse · December 13th, 2010, 09:59 AM

Well, im not trying to fix the vegas problem right now. As i see it its pointless.

Im looking for a mp4 connector/joiner, so i can connect the small bits that i did manage to render out, into a full project.

Other than that I am usint Vegas pro 9.0 32 bit one.

My cpu is q6600

I got 4gb ram

2 harddrives . Main is 500gb other is 200gb.
Using windows 7

Mike Kujbida · December 13th, 2010, 12:04 PM

Are you running version 9.0e as it was the latest update for Pro 9 with several bug fixes.

You said that you thought the converted files were mp4.
Neoscene converts to CineForm AVI or MOV files so it has to be one of those two, not mp4.
Once the conversion is done, editing should be much easier.

Did you do the conversion or did someone else do it for you and give you the converted files?
If it was done for you, do you have Neo Player (a free CineForm decoder) installed on your computer?

Gustavs Repse · December 13th, 2010, 12:47 PM

M8, im talking about the final Render.

all the 550d fotage has been converted to neoscene, edited and then i rendered. Ust that i could not render it out full. Only small segments, because it keeps giving me a "low memory" error or ust crash.

Mike Kujbida · December 13th, 2010, 01:02 PM

What format are you trying to render it to?
Do your project properties match your source video?
What's your preview RAM set to?
How many render threads?

Sorry for asking so many questions but this is like bringing your car to the mechanic and saying "it's making a clicking noise".
He or she will ask a few questions and then take it for a drive to further isolate the problem.
We can't take your computer for a drive so we have to ask a lot more questions.

Gustavs Repse · December 13th, 2010, 03:46 PM

But im ust asking for a program that connects mp4 files. :P

But sure, and np for asking, im glad you are taking interest in my problem. My ram prew and rendering threads are set to lowest. I think it is 0 and 1 .

Im rendering to Sony AVC (mp4, m2ts, AVC)

My project properties are on 1280/720 and video is shot on 1920/1080 and i render it on 1280/720 same as project properties are set.

But the fact that original footage resolution is different than the project properties one doesnt change the fast that it crashes. Tryed many aproaches.

I do check my Ram usage at Windows Task manager and it usualy crashes when its right at 2 gb. Sounds reasonable since Vegas 32 bit cant utilize much more than 2gb, but then again, i get crashes when rendering HD even if the Ram usage is below 2gb. Tho if its 300 mb+ below 2gb it tends not to crash, but that rarely happens and cant be achiewed for my pc, it seams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tS1FeiOaYc Here is the vid i managed to render at 480p quality.

Mike Kujbida · December 14th, 2010, 08:06 AM

You might (and this is just a guess) have better luck setting your project properties to match your source footage.
If you don't know how to do this, open the properties window (File - Properties), click the "Match Media Settings" icon (looks like a folder) at the top right, browse to the folder where your source files are, click on any one of them and click "Open".
Your video settings will now match your source video.
This can be saved as a template for future use.

I browsed the Sony Vegas forum and came up with a few threads that may be of some help.
The first link is from the Sony Knowledgebase.
The other two are from users experiencing similar problems.
I hope that they will lead you to a solution.

Low memory errors in Vegas

Vegas Pro 9.0e - Low Memory rendering HD Video

Low memory - curing the blues

Gustavs Repse · December 14th, 2010, 10:55 AM

Ehh, thanks. Il look into those links :)

Craig Longman · December 14th, 2010, 12:08 PM

Gustavs, you can't smart-render AVC, even in Vegas (perhaps in v10?). I'm not aware of anything that could simply stitch the files together either.

Follow up with the posts Mike put, in particular the ones that talk about setting the LMA flag on the EXEs (any EXE in the Vegas directory) and then very importantly, setting the /3GB flag on your windows boot settings.

Here is the post I made, and a similar memory related thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/what-hap...ml#post1567791

Generally, this seems to have solved most peoples memory problems in 32bit land.

However, going 64bit is the real answer...

Jeremy Dallek · December 14th, 2010, 03:45 PM

Just used this to split up a long mp4, did the trick, and also says it can join them, worth a shot:

Yamb » Yet Another MP4Box UI

Here's another one that is said to be better for joining files:

http://my-mp4box-gui.zymichost.com/features.html

Gustavs Repse · December 15th, 2010, 08:20 AM

I'd give you guys a cookie. Each one of ya. But this is internet. I cant do that .

I did look into linkes Craig and mike provided. And i decided to use the CFF method. I did find this solution beffore i started this thread, but when i tried i it, had forgoten that i need ot run the CFF as Admin. So had no succes there. Now i tried it again running as admin. And wola, im rendering a full hd video with all MB on it with out problems, and am going to go for 32 bit full range this evening(not sure if its worth it tho). You are a life savers :)

And thx for the Segment connecting soft, but i gues i wont be needing it :)

p.s

Craig, i did not undarstand what u ment by " i cant smart-render AVC".

Mike Kujbida · December 15th, 2010, 08:48 AM

Thanks for the update Gustav. I'm really glad to hear that this worked for you.
I'll enjoy a virtual Christmas cookie so thanks for that :-)

Smart rendering is an option available only to a few codecs in Vegas.
This option looks at the file during rendering and, if there are no changes to the source video, it creates a duplicate of the original video.
Otherwise, it renders only the portion(s) that have been changed.

Gustavs Repse · December 15th, 2010, 05:41 PM

:)

Will have to read up on the "Smart Render" thing. I fail to see how is that relavent to my situation.

December 12th, 2010, 05:12 PM	#1
Gustavs Repse Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Riga,Latvia Posts: 129	Need to connect Video segments. Hello. Well, Vegas is once again crashing every single Render i make. Wont even bother trying to fix it. Im done with that, il start saving for new pc that can handle the ram usage vegas ask . These reacuring crashes in each project i make are sucking all the joy out :( I rendered out the video by small parts, so i need to connect them now. I tried one ap, but it totaly destroyed the quality. Could you recoment a good free soft that can connect my video peeces smoothly and w/o quality loss? Those are mp4 files, afaik. Had my 550d footage transcoded to Neoscene and all i can render out is araund 40 sec worth of video.

December 14th, 2010, 12:08 PM	#11
Craig Longman Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, ON Posts: 175	Gustavs, you can't smart-render AVC, even in Vegas (perhaps in v10?). I'm not aware of anything that could simply stitch the files together either. Follow up with the posts Mike put, in particular the ones that talk about setting the LMA flag on the EXEs (any EXE in the Vegas directory) and then very importantly, setting the /3GB flag on your windows boot settings. Here is the post I made, and a similar memory related thread: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/what-hap...ml#post1567791 Generally, this seems to have solved most peoples memory problems in 32bit land. However, going 64bit is the real answer... __________________ CraigL

December 13th, 2010, 08:41 AM	#2
Gustavs Repse Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Riga,Latvia Posts: 129	Ok guys. Rly need ur help on this one. Drop ur 2 cents of mind plz

December 13th, 2010, 09:11 AM	#3
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	We need a lot more information as Neoscene is used by several folks with no issues at all. What version of Vegas are you using? Is it Pro or Movie Studio? What's your CPU, OS, RAM, number and size of hard drives?

December 13th, 2010, 09:59 AM	#4
Gustavs Repse Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Riga,Latvia Posts: 129	Well, im not trying to fix the vegas problem right now. As i see it its pointless. Im looking for a mp4 connector/joiner, so i can connect the small bits that i did manage to render out, into a full project. Other than that I am usint Vegas pro 9.0 32 bit one. My cpu is q6600 I got 4gb ram 2 harddrives . Main is 500gb other is 200gb. Using windows 7

December 13th, 2010, 12:04 PM	#5
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Are you running version 9.0e as it was the latest update for Pro 9 with several bug fixes. You said that you thought the converted files were mp4. Neoscene converts to CineForm AVI or MOV files so it has to be one of those two, not mp4. Once the conversion is done, editing should be much easier. Did you do the conversion or did someone else do it for you and give you the converted files? If it was done for you, do you have Neo Player (a free CineForm decoder) installed on your computer?

December 13th, 2010, 12:47 PM	#6
Gustavs Repse Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Riga,Latvia Posts: 129	M8, im talking about the final Render. all the 550d fotage has been converted to neoscene, edited and then i rendered. Ust that i could not render it out full. Only small segments, because it keeps giving me a "low memory" error or ust crash.

December 13th, 2010, 01:02 PM	#7
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	What format are you trying to render it to? Do your project properties match your source video? What's your preview RAM set to? How many render threads? Sorry for asking so many questions but this is like bringing your car to the mechanic and saying "it's making a clicking noise". He or she will ask a few questions and then take it for a drive to further isolate the problem. We can't take your computer for a drive so we have to ask a lot more questions.

December 13th, 2010, 03:46 PM	#8
Gustavs Repse Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Riga,Latvia Posts: 129	But im ust asking for a program that connects mp4 files. :P But sure, and np for asking, im glad you are taking interest in my problem. My ram prew and rendering threads are set to lowest. I think it is 0 and 1 . Im rendering to Sony AVC (mp4, m2ts, AVC) My project properties are on 1280/720 and video is shot on 1920/1080 and i render it on 1280/720 same as project properties are set. But the fact that original footage resolution is different than the project properties one doesnt change the fast that it crashes. Tryed many aproaches. I do check my Ram usage at Windows Task manager and it usualy crashes when its right at 2 gb. Sounds reasonable since Vegas 32 bit cant utilize much more than 2gb, but then again, i get crashes when rendering HD even if the Ram usage is below 2gb. Tho if its 300 mb+ below 2gb it tends not to crash, but that rarely happens and cant be achiewed for my pc, it seams. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tS1FeiOaYc Here is the vid i managed to render at 480p quality.

December 14th, 2010, 08:06 AM	#9
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	You might (and this is just a guess) have better luck setting your project properties to match your source footage. If you don't know how to do this, open the properties window (File - Properties), click the "Match Media Settings" icon (looks like a folder) at the top right, browse to the folder where your source files are, click on any one of them and click "Open". Your video settings will now match your source video. This can be saved as a template for future use. I browsed the Sony Vegas forum and came up with a few threads that may be of some help. The first link is from the Sony Knowledgebase. The other two are from users experiencing similar problems. I hope that they will lead you to a solution. Low memory errors in Vegas Vegas Pro 9.0e - Low Memory rendering HD Video Low memory - curing the blues

December 14th, 2010, 10:55 AM	#10
Gustavs Repse Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Riga,Latvia Posts: 129	Ehh, thanks. Il look into those links :)

December 14th, 2010, 03:45 PM	#12
Jeremy Dallek Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Minneapolis MN Posts: 40	Just used this to split up a long mp4, did the trick, and also says it can join them, worth a shot: Yamb » Yet Another MP4Box UI Here's another one that is said to be better for joining files: http://my-mp4box-gui.zymichost.com/features.html

December 15th, 2010, 08:20 AM	#13
Gustavs Repse Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Riga,Latvia Posts: 129	I'd give you guys a cookie. Each one of ya. But this is internet. I cant do that . I did look into linkes Craig and mike provided. And i decided to use the CFF method. I did find this solution beffore i started this thread, but when i tried i it, had forgoten that i need ot run the CFF as Admin. So had no succes there. Now i tried it again running as admin. And wola, im rendering a full hd video with all MB on it with out problems, and am going to go for 32 bit full range this evening(not sure if its worth it tho). You are a life savers :) And thx for the Segment connecting soft, but i gues i wont be needing it :) p.s Craig, i did not undarstand what u ment by " i cant smart-render AVC".

December 15th, 2010, 08:48 AM	#14
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Thanks for the update Gustav. I'm really glad to hear that this worked for you. I'll enjoy a virtual Christmas cookie so thanks for that :-) Smart rendering is an option available only to a few codecs in Vegas. This option looks at the file during rendering and, if there are no changes to the source video, it creates a duplicate of the original video. Otherwise, it renders only the portion(s) that have been changed.

December 15th, 2010, 05:41 PM	#15
Gustavs Repse Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Riga,Latvia Posts: 129	:) Will have to read up on the "Smart Render" thing. I fail to see how is that relavent to my situation.