Vegas 10 Question at DVinfo.net

Dale Guthormsen · November 24th, 2010, 08:13 PM

Before i shell out another 150.00 for an upgrade, Outside of the 3d option and high end codecs

does it now have a better play back rate in the preview window than the version 9 64 bit version.

Is the 64 bit version sounder than 9?

What would its greatest asset be for those of us working primarily in HDV.

thank you.

Edward Troxel · November 25th, 2010, 08:42 AM

Dale, if you think you are going to upgrade sometime in the next YEAR - go ahead and do it NOW. You can save $100 through the end of the month - even if you don't install it for another 6 months. For preview rates - for some formats it's faster - especially still camera video formats. I don't know of any that are slower - I'm guessing DV is about the same or, at least, it feels about the same to me.

I do really like the 64-bit version. I haven't run the 32-bit version at all. It does require SP3 on XP and my 32-bit machine has XP-SP2 so it won't install there and I don't want to risk the update to SP3. Vista requires SP2 and I did update that machine to accept Vegas Pro 10.

To me, the biggest update is not 3D - it's the new OpenFX plugin API. That could open a whole new world of plugin support and also now gives Vegas a frame access API which was lacking in the older API.

Seth Bloombaum · November 25th, 2010, 02:43 PM

Also, way fewer program crashes with Canon 5d video, in addition to the preview improvements for this video. (9-64 bit vs. 10-64 bit) This leads me to think that there are overall stability increases in the 64-bit version, but it may just be that Vegas 10 doesn't call QT for this media.

I've already been having fun with the OpenFX version of the NewBlue plugins, in my limited experience they are more easily controlled than the DX versions.

But, you gotta' ask yourself - will you *really* not be editing dSLR video? I don't have one, and I do have an HDV cam, and I've been cutting nothing but dSLR. The pictures are very pretty, low-light performance is great, the equipment is relatively inexpensive. Audio sucks, of course... but, dSLR has taken my town by storm.

Dale Guthormsen · November 25th, 2010, 08:59 PM

Thank you Seth and Edwartd!!

I may get a dslr in the next year or so so I will go ahead, particular for the 64 bit and preview improvement. that is what I wanted to hear!!!

Ron Chau · November 28th, 2010, 10:15 AM

Are people editing DSLR footage native ? I thought it was still recommended to convert with something like cineform for editing and color correction ?

Seth Bloombaum · November 28th, 2010, 11:18 AM

Yes, I'm editing dSLR native on the timeline, it's working fine for me.

Whether this is a best practices approach for digital cinema I couldn't say, but it is fine for the web clips I'm currently working on. They look great, though it's not real demanding material.

Paul Kepen · November 30th, 2010, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

Dale, if you think you are going to upgrade sometime in the next YEAR - go ahead and do it NOW. You can save $100 through the end of the month - even if you don't install it for another 6 months. For preview rates - for some formats it's faster - especially still camera video formats. I don't know of any that are slower - I'm guessing DV is about the same or, at least, it feels about the same to me.

I do really like the 64-bit version. I haven't run the 32-bit version at all. It does require SP3 on XP and my 32-bit machine has XP-SP2 so it won't install there and I don't want to risk the update to SP3. Vista requires SP2 and I did update that machine to accept Vegas Pro 10.

To me, the biggest update is not 3D - it's the new OpenFX plugin API. That could open a whole new world of plugin support and also now gives Vegas a frame access API which was lacking in the older API.

Sony Web site has the upgrade listed at $239-download version, $249 for "Reduced Packaging Box." Do I still get a printed manual with this, or just a PDF file? I sure prefer a book, as it is much easier to read and reference, then a stapled wad of 8x11 paper printed from my printer. I laugh at their "Sony saving the environment" with reduced packaging. By the way, How do I get the extra $100 off? Does that end today - 11/30, or go through December. Thanks - PK
P.S. - When I enter my Vegas Pro 8 serial # for the upgrade, it keeps responding with "The serial number you entered is not a valid serial number for this upgrade purchase. Please try again."

Mike Kujbida · November 30th, 2010, 09:04 PM

Sony Creative Software - Online Store - Upgrade to Vegas Pro 10 from Vegas is the reduced price link but you better hurry as the offer expires tonight.

It's only been a PDF since, as I recall, version 6.
You can always have it printed a a place like Kinko's or similar.
Not sure what the charge would be for a 550 page (225 if it's double sided) manual though.

edit: go to the Sony site at http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/ and look under My Account - My Software to make sure you have the correct serial number.
All your Sony products will be listed there, assuming you did register them.

Brian Luce · November 30th, 2010, 09:38 PM

I thought v.9 was a train wreck. Unusable.

v.10 is great so far, especially in regards to what others have said about native AVCHD/DSLR files. And I'm loving that 64 bit environment though I sure wish my Magic Bullet worked in it. Much faster renders. I think the promo expires tonight. Hurry! It's worth it.

Edward Troxel · December 1st, 2010, 08:02 AM

I thought v.9 was a train wreck. Unusable.

And yet I used it to edit MANY projects - and continue to use it weekly for edits at church (they really didn't need to upgrade to 10 as it would not benefit them right now).

Brian Luce · December 1st, 2010, 02:23 PM

The user experience for Vegas 9 seemed to vary for many people, unlike for example version 5 and 6 which seemed universally praised for stability. Anyway, my v.9 issues seemed to snowball. First annoying thing was still images would go black frame or red frame. Then I started getting RAM errors, then finally it just started crashing and giving other error messages. I was using Vista and a Dell. Two words to make one shudder. But, same Dell i7 but with W7 and Vegas 10, happy days are here again.

Chris Hurd · December 1st, 2010, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Luce

I was using Vista and a Dell. Two words to make one shudder.

For what it's worth, my primary PC is a Dell running Vista and I've never had any issues with it... ever.

Chris Barcellos · December 1st, 2010, 03:24 PM

Same here. I have am doing all my editing on a Dell (XP 420 ?) with Vista even now. I am considering updating to Windows 7 64 bit to take advantage of that now, but still running clean. Ran Vegas 9 just fine, too.

There always seems to be a small percentage of users that have problems. Sometimes its the same ones over and over again, and one wonders if they are running some hardware or program that is conflicing.

November 24th, 2010, 08:13 PM	#1
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Vegas 10 Question Before i shell out another 150.00 for an upgrade, Outside of the 3d option and high end codecs does it now have a better play back rate in the preview window than the version 9 64 bit version. Is the 64 bit version sounder than 9? What would its greatest asset be for those of us working primarily in HDV. thank you. __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

November 25th, 2010, 08:42 AM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Dale, if you think you are going to upgrade sometime in the next YEAR - go ahead and do it NOW. You can save $100 through the end of the month - even if you don't install it for another 6 months. For preview rates - for some formats it's faster - especially still camera video formats. I don't know of any that are slower - I'm guessing DV is about the same or, at least, it feels about the same to me. I do really like the 64-bit version. I haven't run the 32-bit version at all. It does require SP3 on XP and my 32-bit machine has XP-SP2 so it won't install there and I don't want to risk the update to SP3. Vista requires SP2 and I did update that machine to accept Vegas Pro 10. To me, the biggest update is not 3D - it's the new OpenFX plugin API. That could open a whole new world of plugin support and also now gives Vegas a frame access API which was lacking in the older API. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

November 25th, 2010, 02:43 PM	#3
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Also, way fewer program crashes with Canon 5d video, in addition to the preview improvements for this video. (9-64 bit vs. 10-64 bit) This leads me to think that there are overall stability increases in the 64-bit version, but it may just be that Vegas 10 doesn't call QT for this media. I've already been having fun with the OpenFX version of the NewBlue plugins, in my limited experience they are more easily controlled than the DX versions. But, you gotta' ask yourself - will you really not be editing dSLR video? I don't have one, and I do have an HDV cam, and I've been cutting nothing but dSLR. The pictures are very pretty, low-light performance is great, the equipment is relatively inexpensive. Audio sucks, of course... but, dSLR has taken my town by storm. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

November 25th, 2010, 08:59 PM	#4
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Thank you Seth and Edwartd!! I may get a dslr in the next year or so so I will go ahead, particular for the 64 bit and preview improvement. that is what I wanted to hear!!! __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

November 28th, 2010, 10:15 AM	#5
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	Are people editing DSLR footage native ? I thought it was still recommended to convert with something like cineform for editing and color correction ? __________________ https://www.ronchauphoto.com/

November 28th, 2010, 11:18 AM	#6
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Yes, I'm editing dSLR native on the timeline, it's working fine for me. Whether this is a best practices approach for digital cinema I couldn't say, but it is fine for the web clips I'm currently working on. They look great, though it's not real demanding material. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

November 30th, 2010, 09:04 PM	#8
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Sony Creative Software - Online Store - Upgrade to Vegas Pro 10 from Vegas is the reduced price link but you better hurry as the offer expires tonight. It's only been a PDF since, as I recall, version 6. You can always have it printed a a place like Kinko's or similar. Not sure what the charge would be for a 550 page (225 if it's double sided) manual though. edit: go to the Sony site at http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/ and look under My Account - My Software to make sure you have the correct serial number. All your Sony products will be listed there, assuming you did register them.

November 30th, 2010, 09:38 PM	#9
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	I thought v.9 was a train wreck. Unusable. v.10 is great so far, especially in regards to what others have said about native AVCHD/DSLR files. And I'm loving that 64 bit environment though I sure wish my Magic Bullet worked in it. Much faster renders. I think the promo expires tonight. Hurry! It's worth it.

December 1st, 2010, 08:02 AM	#10
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I thought v.9 was a train wreck. Unusable. And yet I used it to edit MANY projects - and continue to use it weekly for edits at church (they really didn't need to upgrade to 10 as it would not benefit them right now). __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

December 1st, 2010, 02:23 PM	#11
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	The user experience for Vegas 9 seemed to vary for many people, unlike for example version 5 and 6 which seemed universally praised for stability. Anyway, my v.9 issues seemed to snowball. First annoying thing was still images would go black frame or red frame. Then I started getting RAM errors, then finally it just started crashing and giving other error messages. I was using Vista and a Dell. Two words to make one shudder. But, same Dell i7 but with W7 and Vegas 10, happy days are here again.

December 1st, 2010, 03:24 PM	#13
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Same here. I have am doing all my editing on a Dell (XP 420 ?) with Vista even now. I am considering updating to Windows 7 64 bit to take advantage of that now, but still running clean. Ran Vegas 9 just fine, too. There always seems to be a small percentage of users that have problems. Sometimes its the same ones over and over again, and one wonders if they are running some hardware or program that is conflicing. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos