Vegas 9 vs Vegas 10 performance differences at DVinfo.net

Jeff Harper · November 15th, 2010, 10:57 PM

I have put up my Vegas 9 license for sale in the classifieds.

What is the consensus on Vegas 10? Am I mistaken, or is there less than usual discussion about this upgrade than previous versions?

I edit straigforward corporate and wedding videos, and doubt that I'll benefit from any of the changes...how does it perform in timeline performance with m2t files compared to Vegas 9....about the same? I imagine rendering speed is about the same...am I right?

Edward Troxel · November 16th, 2010, 07:57 AM

Overall, I like 10. Yes, there's some bugs - but any software of this size will have some bugs. I know they are working on the next update. But there's many new features - probably my favorite is the new OpenFX plugin API which really expands the capability and variety of plugins once manufacturers start supporting it. We've already seen updates from NewBlueFX and BorisFX and I would expect to see others available going forward.

Jeff Harper · November 16th, 2010, 08:05 AM

Thanks Edward.

How is timeline peformance vs 9? How about rendering speed?

Anyone tested it, is it pretty much the same for m2t files?

What excactly does the much touted GPU accelerator do to improve things?

Edward Troxel · November 16th, 2010, 08:50 AM

The speed is about the same for me - most of my stuff is DV, though. Other formats (like videos from still cameras) got a huge speed increase. I haven't seen anything get worse - speedwise - in what I've done.

The GPU Acceleration is only available when rendering to the Sony AVC renderer. There is no GPU acceleration during preview.

Jeff Harper · November 16th, 2010, 09:03 AM

Edward, what is Sony AVC? I imagine if I don't know what it is I don't need to know, but I'm curious. Is it a consumer version of AVCHD, or what? Or the Sony version of AVCHD?

Edward Troxel · November 16th, 2010, 09:45 AM

File - Render As - then pick Sony AVC as the file type. Click on "Custom" and you can see the GPU option listed in the "Encode Mode".

Bruce Phung · November 16th, 2010, 11:09 AM

I just test out a 1 minutes video clip render Sony avc. I rendered 2 exact clip, one render with CPU only and the other with GPU encoded. With GPU option, it renders almost 1 minutes faster. I was expecting way faster. My PC is i7 920 6gigs ram. Nivida GTX260 card.

Seth Bloombaum · November 16th, 2010, 11:56 PM

My first series of projects on v10 have involved lots of greenscreen compositing of Canon 5d clips over large jpgs. I've been very pleased with the increases in timeline performance for the dSLR clips.

Not being yet involved in 3D, for me v10 has been a quiet but effective upgrade. Haven't cut any hdv with it, haven't yet done any AVC renders, but I'm sure I will.

Sean Seah · November 22nd, 2010, 10:11 AM

Render speeds VS v9 seems similar. The nice thing is it works pretty well on my desktop with mov native from 5D2. IT is a little slower in my Alienware laptop. However I m getting this black screen problems which my clips playback as black screens. IT happens for both previews and sometimes on the timeline. works at first then after some editing it plays a blank screen!

Not sure if there is something wrong but my desktop is indeed a little cranky. I'm going to observe if the same happens on the Alien laptop.

Jeff Harper · November 22nd, 2010, 10:18 AM

It is ironic that I would first read about the most serious issues the day after I sold my Vegas 9 license...in this and other threads.

On the other hand, at $149 for the upgrade I would have to buy it now anyway. I'll be leaving vegas 9 on my workstation until 9.b comes out, if not c. The first release of an upgrade is always buggy.

Bill Binder · November 23rd, 2010, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

It is ironic that I would first read about the most serious issues the day after I sold my Vegas 9 license...in this and other threads.

On the other hand, at $149 for the upgrade I would have to buy it now anyway. I'll be leaving vegas 9 on my workstation until 9.b comes out, if not c. The first release of an upgrade is always buggy.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding things, and I personally don't care, but I don't think Vegas licensing works that way (e.g., you can't sell your CDs/license and keep the software on your box, and for that matter, sell your license and just keep the upgrade). But then again, I'm probably clueless about these things.

Jeff Harper · November 23rd, 2010, 01:00 PM

Quote: "...and I personally don't care," If you don't care then you wouldn't have posted.

I can legitimately upgrade AFTER I sell my license, and yes technically I should remove it but since I'm upgrading who really cares? I called Sony and they laughed. The rep promised no one would come and arrest me.

Edward Troxel · November 23rd, 2010, 01:21 PM

You can legally sell your license for older copies (and keep the upgrade). However, if you upgrade to 10 and sell your license for 9, you cannot legally keep 9 on your machine. Sony is very lenient in letting you sell your older, NO LONGER USED, versions.

Bill Binder · November 23rd, 2010, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

Quote: "...and I personally don't care," If you don't care then you wouldn't have posted.

I can legitimately upgrade AFTER I sell my license, and yes technically I should remove it but since I'm upgrading who really cares? I called Sony and they laughed. The rep promised no one would come and arrest me.

Actually, I can easily not care (who does and doesn't have a legit copy) and post anyway because I ended up learning something about Vegas licensing in the process (which helps inform what I may or may not do, which is something I do care about). And BTW, this is why I explicitly used the words "I think" and "I'm probably clueless."

Jeff Harper · November 23rd, 2010, 07:14 PM

Well, you learned something, and so did I.

November 15th, 2010, 10:57 PM	#1
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Vegas 9 vs Vegas 10 performance differences I have put up my Vegas 9 license for sale in the classifieds. What is the consensus on Vegas 10? Am I mistaken, or is there less than usual discussion about this upgrade than previous versions? I edit straigforward corporate and wedding videos, and doubt that I'll benefit from any of the changes...how does it perform in timeline performance with m2t files compared to Vegas 9....about the same? I imagine rendering speed is about the same...am I right? __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

November 16th, 2010, 07:57 AM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Overall, I like 10. Yes, there's some bugs - but any software of this size will have some bugs. I know they are working on the next update. But there's many new features - probably my favorite is the new OpenFX plugin API which really expands the capability and variety of plugins once manufacturers start supporting it. We've already seen updates from NewBlueFX and BorisFX and I would expect to see others available going forward. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

November 16th, 2010, 08:05 AM	#3
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Thanks Edward. How is timeline peformance vs 9? How about rendering speed? Anyone tested it, is it pretty much the same for m2t files? What excactly does the much touted GPU accelerator do to improve things? __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

November 16th, 2010, 08:50 AM	#4
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The speed is about the same for me - most of my stuff is DV, though. Other formats (like videos from still cameras) got a huge speed increase. I haven't seen anything get worse - speedwise - in what I've done. The GPU Acceleration is only available when rendering to the Sony AVC renderer. There is no GPU acceleration during preview. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

November 16th, 2010, 09:03 AM	#5
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Edward, what is Sony AVC? I imagine if I don't know what it is I don't need to know, but I'm curious. Is it a consumer version of AVCHD, or what? Or the Sony version of AVCHD? __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

November 16th, 2010, 09:45 AM	#6
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	File - Render As - then pick Sony AVC as the file type. Click on "Custom" and you can see the GPU option listed in the "Encode Mode". __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

November 16th, 2010, 11:09 AM	#7
Bruce Phung Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rochester,NY USA Posts: 285	I just test out a 1 minutes video clip render Sony avc. I rendered 2 exact clip, one render with CPU only and the other with GPU encoded. With GPU option, it renders almost 1 minutes faster. I was expecting way faster. My PC is i7 920 6gigs ram. Nivida GTX260 card.

November 16th, 2010, 11:56 PM	#8
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	My first series of projects on v10 have involved lots of greenscreen compositing of Canon 5d clips over large jpgs. I've been very pleased with the increases in timeline performance for the dSLR clips. Not being yet involved in 3D, for me v10 has been a quiet but effective upgrade. Haven't cut any hdv with it, haven't yet done any AVC renders, but I'm sure I will. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

November 22nd, 2010, 10:11 AM	#9
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	Render speeds VS v9 seems similar. The nice thing is it works pretty well on my desktop with mov native from 5D2. IT is a little slower in my Alienware laptop. However I m getting this black screen problems which my clips playback as black screens. IT happens for both previews and sometimes on the timeline. works at first then after some editing it plays a blank screen! Not sure if there is something wrong but my desktop is indeed a little cranky. I'm going to observe if the same happens on the Alien laptop. __________________ Firewerkz Films SGP

November 22nd, 2010, 10:18 AM	#10
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	It is ironic that I would first read about the most serious issues the day after I sold my Vegas 9 license...in this and other threads. On the other hand, at $149 for the upgrade I would have to buy it now anyway. I'll be leaving vegas 9 on my workstation until 9.b comes out, if not c. The first release of an upgrade is always buggy. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

November 23rd, 2010, 01:00 PM	#12
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Quote: "...and I personally don't care," If you don't care then you wouldn't have posted. I can legitimately upgrade AFTER I sell my license, and yes technically I should remove it but since I'm upgrading who really cares? I called Sony and they laughed. The rep promised no one would come and arrest me. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described." Last edited by Jeff Harper; November 23rd, 2010 at 01:34 PM.

November 23rd, 2010, 01:21 PM	#13
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You can legally sell your license for older copies (and keep the upgrade). However, if you upgrade to 10 and sell your license for 9, you cannot legally keep 9 on your machine. Sony is very lenient in letting you sell your older, NO LONGER USED, versions. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

November 23rd, 2010, 07:14 PM	#15
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Well, you learned something, and so did I. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."