Best format/render to post to Youtube? 2010

David Stoneburner · November 13th, 2010, 01:00 PM

Most of my other YouTube videos were converted to Divx because I liked the small file size and quicker rendering, but now with Vegas 9 and running 64bit, Divx no longer works so I tried the Sony AVHD internet 730p preset and I'm very happy with the result. Check it out
YouTube - Stoney D performs at MCH 2010 Video of my son performing.

Erik Phairas · November 13th, 2010, 03:15 PM

That looks very clean David.

I'm always amazed that I have an EX3 and yet other uploaders with the same camera just blow my video away with the amount of clarity and sharpness of their videos. I just kinda gave up after a while and assumed it was because they are using nanoflash or final cut pro or something...

This is probably the sharpest video I have ever been able to upload and it was in direct sunlight and I used some ungoldly high bitrate Blu Ray mpeg2 format.

YouTube - Barrett M82A1 .50 caliber BMG in HD 1080p

I might have adjusted the saturation a little but I don't really mess with the picture too much. I use the day time HQ picture profile that I got from the EX section for the camera too. It looks fine but look at this!

It's not on youtube but this is the same camera! I can hardly believe my camera could produce something this sharp and clean!

I must be stupid or something... ha ha.

Laurence Janus · November 13th, 2010, 04:35 PM

Youtube is constantly upgrading itself so I just upload the best quality I can (10Mbps wmv).
Though if you need your video to look good NOW then 720P is the best

David Ruhland · November 13th, 2010, 05:19 PM

Erik,

I know what your saying..I still love the way my canon GL2 shoots my SD stuff and have my sites on a XH-A1, but i cant get over the quality an unobtrusivness of this lil fella... love the Drury video..

Erik Phairas · November 13th, 2010, 05:29 PM

I just wish I could replicate the clarity of that vid. I see it all the time. I can never figure out what I do wrong. ha ha. My videos on vimeo or youtube look about the same so it's not because he is on vimeo.

Alan Emery · November 13th, 2010, 07:49 PM

Hi Erik,

Try using a neutral density filter to get your f numbers down below f8. I found that almost no matter what lens I am using, it is sharper below f8. Anything I shoot in the f16 to f22 range almost always has that slightly hazy look. Also in post, you might try bringing your blackpoint in a bit more. Finally a hair of sharpening in unsharp mask -- something like 20 or 25 certainly helps mine.

Alan

Erik Phairas · November 14th, 2010, 12:29 AM

Thanks I'll give that a try. :)

David Stoneburner · November 14th, 2010, 10:20 AM

Erik,
I thought the Barrett videos looked really clean. I'm shooting with an FX-7 and what you might want to do is look for settings on the web. I found some settings that other people have posted and have started to play with them. I know you have a lot more options with EX3. There are a couple schools of thought. Tweak your camera to get the shot you want or shoot on the main defaults and tweak in the editing software. Or you can find a happy medium between the two. Definitely look at your ND filters and try to get the f-stop down a little, again depending on the look you want.

Erik Phairas · November 14th, 2010, 10:59 AM

I was happy with the Barrett video until I saw what others are doing with the same camera.. ha ha. I'll give all the suggestions a try. Thanks guys!

David Ruhland · November 14th, 2010, 11:18 AM

So this morning I am attempting to upload the videos from my GL2 What are the optimal settings for this? I have been making the size 720x396 and the bitrate 10mps. The video is not looking to great..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DijlkIAZoIo

Thoughts?

Bruce Phung · November 14th, 2010, 11:34 AM

GL2 video look pretty darn good to me.

Erik Phairas · November 21st, 2010, 11:24 AM

I tried an experiment. I actually paid attention to what F-stop I was at...LOL, Even on a very overcast day with full ND engaged I had to use -3 gain to get it to F4 but you could instantly see a difference in sharpness. Then I could click off the ND filers and watch as the sharpness went away as the F stop increased.

I didn't upload anything to youtube but it seems that was the reason for the softness. Thanks guys!

Erik Phairas · November 28th, 2010, 01:03 AM

I know this is vimeo but I don't really use different settings for each site so it still applies.

I did this one and made sure the f-stop never went higher than f4. I think the video will speak for itself. I uploaded it in 1920x1080p as a really high bitrate blu ray mpeg 2.

David Ruhland · November 28th, 2010, 07:22 AM

Thanks Erik I love it.... I thought i was seeing the beginning of an old western movie or the new show "the Defenders" at the beginning. Question for you...Did you hand hold your panning or have a tripod. The last minute the video sort of stuttered as it was panning... perhaps it was my computer.

Also after seeing your video I am going to have to get a new 16:9 widescreen monitor! I was atching it on an older CRT (4:3)

Great Job

Erik Phairas · November 28th, 2010, 08:54 AM

Thanks David. I was using a crappy best buy tripod. Good thing too because it was hard enough to lug that one up that hill, let alone a heavy expensive tripod. :)

1080p on Vimeo is pretty hard on computers. I will upload it on youtube to see if that helps.

November 13th, 2010, 03:15 PM	#17
Erik Phairas Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 628	That looks very clean David. I'm always amazed that I have an EX3 and yet other uploaders with the same camera just blow my video away with the amount of clarity and sharpness of their videos. I just kinda gave up after a while and assumed it was because they are using nanoflash or final cut pro or something... This is probably the sharpest video I have ever been able to upload and it was in direct sunlight and I used some ungoldly high bitrate Blu Ray mpeg2 format. YouTube - Barrett M82A1 .50 caliber BMG in HD 1080p I might have adjusted the saturation a little but I don't really mess with the picture too much. I use the day time HQ picture profile that I got from the EX section for the camera too. It looks fine but look at this! It's not on youtube but this is the same camera! I can hardly believe my camera could produce something this sharp and clean! I must be stupid or something... ha ha. Drury Plaza by the Arch - St. Louis, MO on Vimeo __________________ EX3, Q6600 Quad core PC - Vista 64, Vegas 8.1 64bit, SR11 b-cam

November 13th, 2010, 04:35 PM	#18
Laurence Janus Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kyoto, Japan Posts: 139	Youtube is constantly upgrading itself so I just upload the best quality I can (10Mbps wmv). Though if you need your video to look good NOW then 720P is the best __________________ SONY α77 :: Panasonic X900M :: Sony DSR-PD170P :: Miller DS5 :: Premiere Pro 2.0 :: Cineform NeoScene

November 13th, 2010, 05:19 PM	#19
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	Erik, I know what your saying..I still love the way my canon GL2 shoots my SD stuff and have my sites on a XH-A1, but i cant get over the quality an unobtrusivness of this lil fella... love the Drury video.. __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram

November 13th, 2010, 05:29 PM	#20
Erik Phairas Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 628	I just wish I could replicate the clarity of that vid. I see it all the time. I can never figure out what I do wrong. ha ha. My videos on vimeo or youtube look about the same so it's not because he is on vimeo. __________________ EX3, Q6600 Quad core PC - Vista 64, Vegas 8.1 64bit, SR11 b-cam

November 14th, 2010, 12:29 AM	#22
Erik Phairas Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 628	Thanks I'll give that a try. :) __________________ EX3, Q6600 Quad core PC - Vista 64, Vegas 8.1 64bit, SR11 b-cam

November 13th, 2010, 01:00 PM	#16
David Stoneburner Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 493	Most of my other YouTube videos were converted to Divx because I liked the small file size and quicker rendering, but now with Vegas 9 and running 64bit, Divx no longer works so I tried the Sony AVHD internet 730p preset and I'm very happy with the result. Check it out YouTube - Stoney D performs at MCH 2010 Video of my son performing.

November 13th, 2010, 07:49 PM	#21
Alan Emery Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Janetville Ontario Canada Posts: 210	Hi Erik, Try using a neutral density filter to get your f numbers down below f8. I found that almost no matter what lens I am using, it is sharper below f8. Anything I shoot in the f16 to f22 range almost always has that slightly hazy look. Also in post, you might try bringing your blackpoint in a bit more. Finally a hair of sharpening in unsharp mask -- something like 20 or 25 certainly helps mine. Alan

November 14th, 2010, 10:20 AM	#23
David Stoneburner Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 493	Erik, I thought the Barrett videos looked really clean. I'm shooting with an FX-7 and what you might want to do is look for settings on the web. I found some settings that other people have posted and have started to play with them. I know you have a lot more options with EX3. There are a couple schools of thought. Tweak your camera to get the shot you want or shoot on the main defaults and tweak in the editing software. Or you can find a happy medium between the two. Definitely look at your ND filters and try to get the f-stop down a little, again depending on the look you want.

November 14th, 2010, 10:59 AM	#24
Erik Phairas Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 628	I was happy with the Barrett video until I saw what others are doing with the same camera.. ha ha. I'll give all the suggestions a try. Thanks guys! __________________ EX3, Q6600 Quad core PC - Vista 64, Vegas 8.1 64bit, SR11 b-cam

November 14th, 2010, 11:18 AM	#25
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	OH OH...Problem lets go back a bit... So this morning I am attempting to upload the videos from my GL2 What are the optimal settings for this? I have been making the size 720x396 and the bitrate 10mps. The video is not looking to great.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DijlkIAZoIo Thoughts? __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram

November 14th, 2010, 11:34 AM	#26
Bruce Phung Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rochester,NY USA Posts: 285	GL2 video look pretty darn good to me.

November 21st, 2010, 11:24 AM	#27
Erik Phairas Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 628	I tried an experiment. I actually paid attention to what F-stop I was at...LOL, Even on a very overcast day with full ND engaged I had to use -3 gain to get it to F4 but you could instantly see a difference in sharpness. Then I could click off the ND filers and watch as the sharpness went away as the F stop increased. I didn't upload anything to youtube but it seems that was the reason for the softness. Thanks guys! __________________ EX3, Q6600 Quad core PC - Vista 64, Vegas 8.1 64bit, SR11 b-cam

November 28th, 2010, 01:03 AM	#28
Erik Phairas Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 628	I know this is vimeo but I don't really use different settings for each site so it still applies. I did this one and made sure the f-stop never went higher than f4. I think the video will speak for itself. I uploaded it in 1920x1080p as a really high bitrate blu ray mpeg 2. Las Vegas - Citiscape (1080p) on Vimeo __________________ EX3, Q6600 Quad core PC - Vista 64, Vegas 8.1 64bit, SR11 b-cam

November 28th, 2010, 07:22 AM	#29
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	Thanks Erik I love it.... I thought i was seeing the beginning of an old western movie or the new show "the Defenders" at the beginning. Question for you...Did you hand hold your panning or have a tripod. The last minute the video sort of stuttered as it was panning... perhaps it was my computer. Also after seeing your video I am going to have to get a new 16:9 widescreen monitor! I was atching it on an older CRT (4:3) Great Job __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram

November 28th, 2010, 08:54 AM	#30
Erik Phairas Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 628	Thanks David. I was using a crappy best buy tripod. Good thing too because it was hard enough to lug that one up that hill, let alone a heavy expensive tripod. :) 1080p on Vimeo is pretty hard on computers. I will upload it on youtube to see if that helps. __________________ EX3, Q6600 Quad core PC - Vista 64, Vegas 8.1 64bit, SR11 b-cam