Pan/Crop rotation problem at DVinfo.net

Matteo Manson · March 23rd, 2010, 10:08 PM

Hi everyone,
I am having a small issue with the pan/crop window, I am using it to create a rotation, and it shows up just fine in the timeline but in any render I do, it is like the rotation is not even there. Any ideas?

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n.../eventpan1.jpg

Gerald Webb · March 24th, 2010, 04:58 AM

I cant see anything wrong with your Pan crop. Maybe put up picks of each keyframe.

Jay Massengill · March 24th, 2010, 09:29 AM

What version of Vegas?
Recently on a secondary computer that's running small projects on Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9.0B, I had to engage the "Stretch Video To Fill Output Frame Size" when doing the final render.
Otherwise my pan/crop settings for some events wouldn't work properly in the render even though they looked perfect on the timeline and shouldn't have required engaging that switch.
I wasn't doing rotation, but instead two tracks of PIP to put a corner box over both shoulders of the talent. It seemed like a bug but I didn't investigate it further once I discovered by accident for another reason that stretching to fill the frame worked in the render.

Matteo Manson · March 24th, 2010, 04:43 PM

This is 9.0c
I will try what you said, I have noticed sometimes elements are not rendering quite the way they should lately, however, It is pretty rarely I need to use the rotation feature and thought maybe I was missing something. I have had a few pictures though where I have had to mess with the output aspect / source aspect to get them to work right, seems like more than usual but I chalked it up to the images not being framed properly for video.

Matteo Manson · April 1st, 2010, 02:18 PM

The problem was Windows media video.
I was rendering directly to WMV, which was what the output specification was. When I rendered the same timeline in avi for rendering to FLV for a secondary application, the video came out perfect. This lead to me render to a very high quality AVI and just run it through Adobe media encoder (Which I was using to get the FLV anyway) which I found gave me better control over the output rendering settings. I was able to get a reasonable frame rate vs data rate at under 320kbps that I could not get out of Vegas. But it could be the aforementioned issues came into play here.

The WMV renders would be showing many clips and images used in the project incorrectly including incorrect aspect ratios, especially in event pan/crop. Very weird. I can't think of one issue the video had when rendering WMV, in fact, that was not related to event pan/crop.

Jay Massengill · April 1st, 2010, 02:46 PM

I was also rendering to WMV, as well as MPEG-2. I don't remember at this point which I tried to do first, but after realizing that "stretching" on the render page was correcting the problem, I "stretched" with all following renders no matter what the output format was.

March 23rd, 2010, 10:08 PM	#1
Matteo Manson Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 37	Pan/Crop rotation problem Hi everyone, I am having a small issue with the pan/crop window, I am using it to create a rotation, and it shows up just fine in the timeline but in any render I do, it is like the rotation is not even there. Any ideas? http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n.../eventpan1.jpg

March 24th, 2010, 09:29 AM	#3
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	What version of Vegas? Recently on a secondary computer that's running small projects on Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9.0B, I had to engage the "Stretch Video To Fill Output Frame Size" when doing the final render. Otherwise my pan/crop settings for some events wouldn't work properly in the render even though they looked perfect on the timeline and shouldn't have required engaging that switch. I wasn't doing rotation, but instead two tracks of PIP to put a corner box over both shoulders of the talent. It seemed like a bug but I didn't investigate it further once I discovered by accident for another reason that stretching to fill the frame worked in the render. Last edited by Jay Massengill; March 24th, 2010 at 02:07 PM.

March 24th, 2010, 04:58 AM	#2
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	I cant see anything wrong with your Pan crop. Maybe put up picks of each keyframe.

March 24th, 2010, 04:43 PM	#4
Matteo Manson Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 37	This is 9.0c I will try what you said, I have noticed sometimes elements are not rendering quite the way they should lately, however, It is pretty rarely I need to use the rotation feature and thought maybe I was missing something. I have had a few pictures though where I have had to mess with the output aspect / source aspect to get them to work right, seems like more than usual but I chalked it up to the images not being framed properly for video.

April 1st, 2010, 02:18 PM	#5
Matteo Manson Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 37	The problem was Windows media video. I was rendering directly to WMV, which was what the output specification was. When I rendered the same timeline in avi for rendering to FLV for a secondary application, the video came out perfect. This lead to me render to a very high quality AVI and just run it through Adobe media encoder (Which I was using to get the FLV anyway) which I found gave me better control over the output rendering settings. I was able to get a reasonable frame rate vs data rate at under 320kbps that I could not get out of Vegas. But it could be the aforementioned issues came into play here. The WMV renders would be showing many clips and images used in the project incorrectly including incorrect aspect ratios, especially in event pan/crop. Very weird. I can't think of one issue the video had when rendering WMV, in fact, that was not related to event pan/crop.

April 1st, 2010, 02:46 PM	#6
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	I was also rendering to WMV, as well as MPEG-2. I don't remember at this point which I tried to do first, but after realizing that "stretching" on the render page was correcting the problem, I "stretched" with all following renders no matter what the output format was.