Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q1Q2)

Sean Seah · May 2nd, 2006, 07:32 AM

That is exactly what I did. I think the trail corrupted the original codec as well. Man!!

Alex Thames · May 2nd, 2006, 07:49 AM

Explain your problem more specifically? I don't see how the original .m2t file got corrupted because of rendering.

Sean Seah · May 2nd, 2006, 08:24 AM

I select render to "video for windows", HDV1080-50i intermediate. Once I click ok, the erro message pops up:
"Your trial period has expired. Please contact cineform support to activate your product". After that the error message from vegas pops up,"No compatible video codec was found"

John Rofrano · May 2nd, 2006, 09:26 AM

Try re-installing Vegas and see if it puts the old CineForm codec back. Otherwise contact CineForm and ask for help. Their installer should not have disabled the Vegas version of the codec (or at least it should have re-enabled it when uninstalling).

~jr

Matt Joseph · May 2nd, 2006, 09:30 AM

Hello all,

I recently purchased Vegas and a Canopus analog-to-DV converter to capture and place my laserdisc collection on DVD before my players eventually give up the ghost and I find myself not being able to find a decent enough replacement.

I have had good luck so far with all of my DV captures and processing using Vegas, except when it comes to converting the 29.97 fps NTSC video to 23.976 fps NTSC video. On scene changes it seems to be blending two frames together; a frame will appear 'ghosted' within the previous frame.

To better illustrate, here are links to a couple of frames I captured from my rough 23.976 output.

First Frame

Second/Next Frame

I have tried several different settings over the past few days to resolve the problem, but nothing seems to work. Is there a specific setting that I am simply missing or is IVTC even possible using Vegas?

Thanks

DJ Kinney · May 2nd, 2006, 10:10 AM

Dumb question, but are you sure that the break-up is in the final capture? What I mean is, on my system, I can't watch the capture itself because the sound cracks in and out. But as long as there are no dropped frames (which there never are) then the entire audio track come out well. It's just a problem with the system diverting resources to the capture and writing of the file rather than playback DURING capture. See what I mean?

Of course, if the sound is cracking on the final files, I am clueless.

DJ

DJ Kinney · May 2nd, 2006, 10:20 AM

You know...I'm not seeing any blending at all.

DJ

Douglas Spotted Eagle · May 2nd, 2006, 10:26 AM

Vegas is perfectly capable of IVTC, but I'm not seeing blending at all either.

Scott Vystrcil · May 2nd, 2006, 11:07 AM

I am very new to Vegas. Is there an option to get both Preview and Program monitors? All I have in the 1 monitor in the lower right hand corner? I am used to Edius Pro I guess.

Matt Joseph · May 2nd, 2006, 11:13 AM

If you look closely at the first frame, you can see the second frame within the first; I've gone back and circled an area in the first frame where you can see the soliders head from the second frame.

Updated Example

Sorry, I'm not quite sure 'blending' is the correct terminology for what is happening here, but I'm not sure how else to describe it. I've performed IVTC with a few other applications in the past, but I'm relatively new to Vegas and haven't seen anything resembling this with the other apps.

Thanks

Douglas Spotted Eagle · May 2nd, 2006, 11:47 AM

Bear in mind that you're capturing interlaced media and converting to progressive. It's entirely likely that you've got a half-field somehow creeping in there. Otherwise, I don't have an answer. Copying media from laserdisc to DVD isn't something I've spent time doing, and not familiar enough with how the laserdisc was authored.

DJ Kinney · May 2nd, 2006, 12:00 PM

I see it now, and I have an idea. I think you need to be looking to the original source material. I think that this blending/creepy-ghost-blur is a result of the content on the laser disc, not the conversion. I don't believe that laser disc players are true 24p. I think the stream is 60i, so it could be a mistake in some L.A. editing room twenty years ago (is this the LD that came out in 1986?), not a problem with Vegas.

DJ

DJ Kinney · May 2nd, 2006, 12:04 PM

1) Set up your second monitor as an extension of your desktop. Drag the preview window by its corner over to the new desktop. There you go!

2) Use a preview device. Hook up your camera via firewire, then camera to TV/Monitor. Click the preview device button and the preview will output through cam to monitor.

DJ

Matt Joseph · May 2nd, 2006, 12:18 PM

These particular discs are from the CAV Definitive Collection set from 1993, but are just a few of the discs I intend to convert over the next several months.

I've used TMPGEnc and VirtualDub in past to IVTC the same discs so this is my second go around with them, but this time I wanted to use Vegas and DV to do the job better.

I'll have to try a few different discs with Vegas to see if it is a flaw in this particular disc and try the same disc with VirtualDub again and compare the results. Other than this I've pretty much nailed down a good process and would like to perfect it as much as possible before I dive into converting 100 discs over the summer.

Is there a link to somewhere outlining the optimal settings in Vegas for IVTC?

Again, many thanks.

DJ Kinney · May 2nd, 2006, 12:38 PM

You know what I'd do? I'd record analog out and use my GL2/XL2/Other Cam as a VCR. Then the films would go cleanly onto DV tapes. Then you would be assured of a nice clean digital capture when you finally figure out how exactly you want to tackle it. Or just watch them on DV tape.

May 2nd, 2006, 09:26 AM	#1399
John Rofrano Sponsor: VASST Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York Posts: 516	Try re-installing Vegas and see if it puts the old CineForm codec back. Otherwise contact CineForm and ask for help. Their installer should not have disabled the Vegas version of the codec (or at least it should have re-enabled it when uninstalling). ~jr __________________ Developer: VASST Ultimate S, Scattershot 3D, Mayhem, FASST Apps, and other VASST Software plug-ins Web Site: www.johnrofrano.com

May 2nd, 2006, 09:30 AM	#1400
Matt Joseph Tourist Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3	IVTC in Vegas Hello all, I recently purchased Vegas and a Canopus analog-to-DV converter to capture and place my laserdisc collection on DVD before my players eventually give up the ghost and I find myself not being able to find a decent enough replacement. I have had good luck so far with all of my DV captures and processing using Vegas, except when it comes to converting the 29.97 fps NTSC video to 23.976 fps NTSC video. On scene changes it seems to be blending two frames together; a frame will appear 'ghosted' within the previous frame. To better illustrate, here are links to a couple of frames I captured from my rough 23.976 output. First Frame Second/Next Frame I have tried several different settings over the past few days to resolve the problem, but nothing seems to work. Is there a specific setting that I am simply missing or is IVTC even possible using Vegas? Thanks

May 2nd, 2006, 10:26 AM	#1403
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Vegas is perfectly capable of IVTC, but I'm not seeing blending at all either. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

May 2nd, 2006, 11:07 AM	#1404
Scott Vystrcil Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 116	Preview/Program in Vegas I am very new to Vegas. Is there an option to get both Preview and Program monitors? All I have in the 1 monitor in the lower right hand corner? I am used to Edius Pro I guess. __________________ Scott A. Vystrcil Equipment - Sony HVR-Z1U--Firestore FS-4 Pro HD (40GB)--Cartoni Focus F101 Editing - Canopus Edius Pro 4, Intel Pentium D 940 (3.2 GHz), 2GB, 74GB SATA 10K, 160GB SATAII, 300GB SATA, nVidia GeForce 6800 (256MB), Dell 20 in widescreen flat panel (2007WFP) http://watersedgefrisco.com http://vystrcil.com

May 2nd, 2006, 11:47 AM	#1406
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Bear in mind that you're capturing interlaced media and converting to progressive. It's entirely likely that you've got a half-field somehow creeping in there. Otherwise, I don't have an answer. Copying media from laserdisc to DVD isn't something I've spent time doing, and not familiar enough with how the laserdisc was authored. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

May 2nd, 2006, 07:32 AM	#1396
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	That is exactly what I did. I think the trail corrupted the original codec as well. Man!!

May 2nd, 2006, 07:49 AM	#1397
Alex Thames Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 508	Explain your problem more specifically? I don't see how the original .m2t file got corrupted because of rendering.

May 2nd, 2006, 08:24 AM	#1398
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	I select render to "video for windows", HDV1080-50i intermediate. Once I click ok, the erro message pops up: "Your trial period has expired. Please contact cineform support to activate your product". After that the error message from vegas pops up,"No compatible video codec was found"

May 2nd, 2006, 10:10 AM	#1401
DJ Kinney Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 277	Dumb question, but are you sure that the break-up is in the final capture? What I mean is, on my system, I can't watch the capture itself because the sound cracks in and out. But as long as there are no dropped frames (which there never are) then the entire audio track come out well. It's just a problem with the system diverting resources to the capture and writing of the file rather than playback DURING capture. See what I mean? Of course, if the sound is cracking on the final files, I am clueless. DJ

May 2nd, 2006, 10:20 AM	#1402
DJ Kinney Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 277	You know...I'm not seeing any blending at all. DJ

May 2nd, 2006, 11:13 AM	#1405
Matt Joseph Tourist Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3	If you look closely at the first frame, you can see the second frame within the first; I've gone back and circled an area in the first frame where you can see the soliders head from the second frame. Updated Example Sorry, I'm not quite sure 'blending' is the correct terminology for what is happening here, but I'm not sure how else to describe it. I've performed IVTC with a few other applications in the past, but I'm relatively new to Vegas and haven't seen anything resembling this with the other apps. Thanks

May 2nd, 2006, 12:00 PM	#1407
DJ Kinney Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 277	I see it now, and I have an idea. I think you need to be looking to the original source material. I think that this blending/creepy-ghost-blur is a result of the content on the laser disc, not the conversion. I don't believe that laser disc players are true 24p. I think the stream is 60i, so it could be a mistake in some L.A. editing room twenty years ago (is this the LD that came out in 1986?), not a problem with Vegas. DJ

May 2nd, 2006, 12:04 PM	#1408
DJ Kinney Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 277	1) Set up your second monitor as an extension of your desktop. Drag the preview window by its corner over to the new desktop. There you go! 2) Use a preview device. Hook up your camera via firewire, then camera to TV/Monitor. Click the preview device button and the preview will output through cam to monitor. DJ

May 2nd, 2006, 12:18 PM	#1409
Matt Joseph Tourist Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3	These particular discs are from the CAV Definitive Collection set from 1993, but are just a few of the discs I intend to convert over the next several months. I've used TMPGEnc and VirtualDub in past to IVTC the same discs so this is my second go around with them, but this time I wanted to use Vegas and DV to do the job better. I'll have to try a few different discs with Vegas to see if it is a flaw in this particular disc and try the same disc with VirtualDub again and compare the results. Other than this I've pretty much nailed down a good process and would like to perfect it as much as possible before I dive into converting 100 discs over the summer. Is there a link to somewhere outlining the optimal settings in Vegas for IVTC? Again, many thanks.

May 2nd, 2006, 12:38 PM	#1410
DJ Kinney Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 277	You know what I'd do? I'd record analog out and use my GL2/XL2/Other Cam as a VCR. Then the films would go cleanly onto DV tapes. Then you would be assured of a nice clean digital capture when you finally figure out how exactly you want to tackle it. Or just watch them on DV tape.