Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q1Q2)

Yi Fong Yu · April 25th, 2006, 10:35 AM

pete,

imho, DVD forum's "standards" aren't consistent. why? you've got all these studio-authored DVD (classics most of them) that can do 96khz Mono DD1.0 and be played back across all types of DVD players, but DVD Architect won't accept a DD1.0 file. so... i've had to resort to DVD Labs and other DVD authoring tools. if the studios can do it, i want that ability too. same with the new HD discs. if they can do, i shuold be able too, as well, if not better. =).

Peter Jefferson · April 25th, 2006, 11:26 AM

oh i totally agree.. teh fact that vegas lets u render ac3 out to any ac3 standard is brilliant, BUT the fact that DVDArchitect DOESNT is a shitter to say the least.. I think this is more so a fact of licensing as opposed to actual capabilities of teh SW, as i dont se why it CANT author these discs technically... but again, more than anything its probably a licensing issue, as stereo and DD5.1 are far more common than any other format..

Darryl Grob · April 25th, 2006, 05:58 PM

I had never had access to MM until I upgraded to Vegas 6d. Previous editions had tried, unsuccessfully, to install MM, but never pulled it off. I finally just disabled MM to avoid confronting your error msg every time I booted up.

Not sure which version of Vegas your're using, but that's been my story. Good luck.

Darryl

Mike Kujbida · April 25th, 2006, 06:40 PM

Another possible fix is to download and install the trial of Acid Pro 6.
Graham Bernard (aka Grazie) had not been able to get Media Manager working. He did this and it cured his problems :-)
Apparently it comes with (a new version of) Media Manager 2.1 that remains even if you do an uninstall of the program.

Graham Bernard · April 26th, 2006, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Kujbida

Another possible fix is to download and install the trial of Acid Pro 6.
Graham Bernard (aka Grazie) had not been able to get Media Manager working. He did this and it cured his problems :-)
Apparently it comes with (a new version of) Media Manager 2.1 that remains even if you do an uninstall of the program.

. . . Hello . . Yup, the ACID thang did it. What comes with it is the newer 2.1 MM. Now I can quickly search and group media events into TAGS and I tend to use it now instead of Explorer. Just make sure you use the UPDATE option within MM - this will bring up to speed the present Library with all your media.

Grazie

Jacob Eirckson · April 26th, 2006, 07:59 AM

i dont compleately understand but you could either render it. or you could copy and paste "what i do for my movies"

David Jimerson · April 26th, 2006, 08:10 AM

Probably the quickest way to do it -- especially if you have multiple clips you want to trim -- is to trim the clips in your project, then "Save As" and check the option for creating trimmed copies of the media with the project file.

David Atek · April 26th, 2006, 01:34 PM

For general performance improvement, if you have an additional HD then move the pagefile.sys to the drive that does not have the OS installed.
Assuming you have Windows XP, go to system properites, advanced, performance, advanced, under virtual memory, change, set drive C to no paging file, then select the other drive and either select custom size or system managed size and click set.
The other thing to keep in mind is to defragment your HD's

Ron Coleman · April 26th, 2006, 05:08 PM

A WinTV PVR card can cause that symptom, so I'll ask the question again: does your PC have a WinTV card installed?

Todd McCormick · April 26th, 2006, 07:30 PM

Using my DVX100 I recorded in 24p mode (not advanced) to my FS-4 Pro in AVI Type 2 24p format.

When I import the files/clips to a 24p timeline it drops the fps to 19.1xx fps. If I UNCHECK the "pulldown removal" box under Preferences it runs at 23.976fps (which I know is correct). Should I leave the box unchecked or will it playback wrong? Basically should I trust the numbers?

Also should I have recorded on the FS-4 in the standard AVI Type 2 and would it capture the 24p look?

Thanks for the help!
TM

Brian Shircliffe · April 27th, 2006, 03:10 AM

I get a similar issue viewing video even from a rendered clip from my computer to a TV. I think that sometimes the field order gets reversed on the TV and the only way to totally make sure that your video is alright is to play in slow motion or slap it on a DVD. or VCD. I have a good DVD player that can ready straight MPEG files from a cd. I render to somethng like 640-480 .mpg or .avi. mpeg1 or 2 will work usually. this is the only sure way to tell I think.

Brian Shircliffe · April 27th, 2006, 03:30 AM

Perhaps that is just setting 8 as the max? Or the target bit rate? Usually with my projects I dont get bitrates much over 4 or 5 unless its a fast moveing scene or the video is shot poorly. Jerky video always takes up a lot of damn bandwidth... err.

Richard Bender · April 27th, 2006, 06:29 AM

I have a seperate hard drive where everything for the project goes. Vegas is on the main, differnt, drive. I have a folder for sounds, and video that may be used in other projects and a seperate file set up for the project i am working on. That way I can erase the file after completeing the DVD. I do shoot the tapes only once and keep them.

David Jimerson · April 27th, 2006, 07:02 AM

How does the FS-4 record? Does it remove pulldown on the fly and record straight 23.976 AVIs?

If it does, the pulldown removal box doesn't have anything to do with it.

If it doesn't, and it's recording 60i files with pulldown, then you need the box checked.

As for the "look," yes, it will retain it as a "standard" AVI.

Dan Euritt · April 27th, 2006, 10:46 AM

zdravko, the differences in file sizes could be because one encoder is using variable bit rate, and the other is using constant bit rate.

with vbr, you should be able to set the peak at 8800 or so with the vegas mainconcept encoder... that'll take care of just about any scene you want to put on dvd.

however, in the end, the average vbr bitrate is what determines how big the file size will be.

April 25th, 2006, 10:35 AM	#1321
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	pete, imho, DVD forum's "standards" aren't consistent. why? you've got all these studio-authored DVD (classics most of them) that can do 96khz Mono DD1.0 and be played back across all types of DVD players, but DVD Architect won't accept a DD1.0 file. so... i've had to resort to DVD Labs and other DVD authoring tools. if the studios can do it, i want that ability too. same with the new HD discs. if they can do, i shuold be able too, as well, if not better. =). __________________ bow wow wow

April 25th, 2006, 05:58 PM	#1323
Darryl Grob New Boot Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 11	V6.0d??? I had never had access to MM until I upgraded to Vegas 6d. Previous editions had tried, unsuccessfully, to install MM, but never pulled it off. I finally just disabled MM to avoid confronting your error msg every time I booted up. Not sure which version of Vegas your're using, but that's been my story. Good luck. Darryl

April 26th, 2006, 08:10 AM	#1327
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Probably the quickest way to do it -- especially if you have multiple clips you want to trim -- is to trim the clips in your project, then "Save As" and check the option for creating trimmed copies of the media with the project file. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

April 26th, 2006, 07:30 PM	#1330
Todd McCormick New Boot Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Burke, VA Posts: 14	FS-4 24p to 19fps in Vegas? Using my DVX100 I recorded in 24p mode (not advanced) to my FS-4 Pro in AVI Type 2 24p format. When I import the files/clips to a 24p timeline it drops the fps to 19.1xx fps. If I UNCHECK the "pulldown removal" box under Preferences it runs at 23.976fps (which I know is correct). Should I leave the box unchecked or will it playback wrong? Basically should I trust the numbers? Also should I have recorded on the FS-4 in the standard AVI Type 2 and would it capture the 24p look? Thanks for the help! TM

April 27th, 2006, 03:10 AM	#1331
Brian Shircliffe New Boot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 6	I get this same issues I get a similar issue viewing video even from a rendered clip from my computer to a TV. I think that sometimes the field order gets reversed on the TV and the only way to totally make sure that your video is alright is to play in slow motion or slap it on a DVD. or VCD. I have a good DVD player that can ready straight MPEG files from a cd. I render to somethng like 640-480 .mpg or .avi. mpeg1 or 2 will work usually. this is the only sure way to tell I think.

April 25th, 2006, 11:26 AM	#1322
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	oh i totally agree.. teh fact that vegas lets u render ac3 out to any ac3 standard is brilliant, BUT the fact that DVDArchitect DOESNT is a shitter to say the least.. I think this is more so a fact of licensing as opposed to actual capabilities of teh SW, as i dont se why it CANT author these discs technically... but again, more than anything its probably a licensing issue, as stereo and DD5.1 are far more common than any other format..

April 25th, 2006, 06:40 PM	#1324
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Another possible fix is to download and install the trial of Acid Pro 6. Graham Bernard (aka Grazie) had not been able to get Media Manager working. He did this and it cured his problems :-) Apparently it comes with (a new version of) Media Manager 2.1 that remains even if you do an uninstall of the program.

April 26th, 2006, 07:59 AM	#1326
Jacob Eirckson New Boot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: washington Posts: 13	i dont compleately understand but you could either render it. or you could copy and paste "what i do for my movies"

April 26th, 2006, 01:34 PM	#1328
David Atek New Boot Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 13	For general performance improvement, if you have an additional HD then move the pagefile.sys to the drive that does not have the OS installed. Assuming you have Windows XP, go to system properites, advanced, performance, advanced, under virtual memory, change, set drive C to no paging file, then select the other drive and either select custom size or system managed size and click set. The other thing to keep in mind is to defragment your HD's

April 26th, 2006, 05:08 PM	#1329
Ron Coleman Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 58	A WinTV PVR card can cause that symptom, so I'll ask the question again: does your PC have a WinTV card installed?

April 27th, 2006, 03:30 AM	#1332
Brian Shircliffe New Boot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 6	Max Bitrate? Perhaps that is just setting 8 as the max? Or the target bit rate? Usually with my projects I dont get bitrates much over 4 or 5 unless its a fast moveing scene or the video is shot poorly. Jerky video always takes up a lot of damn bandwidth... err.

April 27th, 2006, 06:29 AM	#1333
Richard Bender Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 40	I have a seperate hard drive where everything for the project goes. Vegas is on the main, differnt, drive. I have a folder for sounds, and video that may be used in other projects and a seperate file set up for the project i am working on. That way I can erase the file after completeing the DVD. I do shoot the tapes only once and keep them.

April 27th, 2006, 07:02 AM	#1334
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	How does the FS-4 record? Does it remove pulldown on the fly and record straight 23.976 AVIs? If it does, the pulldown removal box doesn't have anything to do with it. If it doesn't, and it's recording 60i files with pulldown, then you need the box checked. As for the "look," yes, it will retain it as a "standard" AVI. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

April 27th, 2006, 10:46 AM	#1335
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	zdravko, the differences in file sizes could be because one encoder is using variable bit rate, and the other is using constant bit rate. with vbr, you should be able to set the peak at 8800 or so with the vegas mainconcept encoder... that'll take care of just about any scene you want to put on dvd. however, in the end, the average vbr bitrate is what determines how big the file size will be.