Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q1Q2)

Don Donatello · March 21st, 2006, 10:33 PM

1) vegas must be installed on both ( total 3) computers

2) Vegas has the cineform codec within it ...

3) magic bullet needs to be installed on all computers .. also any other plugins would need to be installed on all computers

network rendering doesn't help render to WMV or mpeg2 or ac3

it isn't so much the files size over the network but how fast can the CPU render a frame ... if you have NO effects or FX's that take up little CPU then a 100 network will NOT keep up and would slow the rendering of the project.
if you were rendering to avi .. and say you have heavy CC, magic bullet and few other effects then even a 100 network would NOT have any problem keeping up with the CPU's rendering ? if you see it is taking 1-10 sec to render a frame then a gigabyte network isn't going to make it any faster.
basically if you can count the frames (verbal or in your mind - look bottom right V preview) as vegas renders them then it is NOT using the full 100 network speed.

also under network rendering it has to "stitch" all the pieces togther when it finishes rendering .. sometime i use 4-6 computers and can spit out a render in 10 min but it might take another 6 min to stitch it together into one clip ..

Tom Johnson · March 21st, 2006, 11:40 PM

yeah ...thanks for the answer. Man whats your power bill with 6 computers going on...lol...I'll just click render on one machine and go to sleep for the night...lol

Mitja Popovski · March 22nd, 2006, 01:11 AM

hi
my audio level in trimmer is very low, but not in timeline. How can i put it to normal level?

George Vick · March 22nd, 2006, 01:52 AM

I'm using vegas 5. I just started editing a music video we shot over the past few days and I'm having trouble with a flash transition(at the 30 sec mark). I only want it to be in the letterbox but it's in the entire frame. Any ideas?

http://www.millenniumbmx.com/2nd verse_1000k.wmv

Vasilis Stamkopoulos · March 22nd, 2006, 03:07 AM

What will be the export format(16:9)?
I guess you have 16:9 footage on a 4:3 project. You can go file>properties and select a widescreen template(apply) and then right-click on the video preview and check "simulate device aspect ratio".
This might be a solution...

Vasilis Stamkopoulos · March 22nd, 2006, 03:46 AM

The vasst website is what you need. The path is vasst.com>free resources>Project files (but you just have to sign-up before)
There are a lot of *.veg files to try.

http://www.vasst.com/search.aspx?type=1

George Vick · March 22nd, 2006, 07:07 AM

The video is in 4:3. I just cropped it to siimulate a 16:9 look. I tried your suggestion and no luck. It just stretched the video to the full frame.

Vasilis Stamkopoulos · March 22nd, 2006, 07:54 AM

Ah! I see...
You can insert a black solid color chart (from the media generator) above your timeline in a new video track and with a duration as long as your transition is. Go to the event pan/crop tool of this chart and make two rectangle masks, top and bottom of the screen (assuming these are the black stripes that gives you the "widescreen" feeling.
This works for me in vegas6 but a can't give you the x.y numbers of the rectangle's anchors because I am in PAL and I'm not familiar with the NTSC dimensions of DV. Experiment and you'll see.

check this *.veg I uploaded to help you
www.geocities.com/stamvas1/Untitled.zip

Edward Troxel · March 22nd, 2006, 08:18 AM

If that's a Vegas 6 VEG file, he won't be able to open it in Vegas 5.

As Vasilis was saying, just add another video track above all other tracks and put a mask on that track. Then you won't have to worry about anything showing up in that area no matter which track it is on.

Edward Troxel · March 22nd, 2006, 08:24 AM

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=54275

Douglas Spotted Eagle · March 22nd, 2006, 08:42 AM

You can't do anything with the audio levels in Trimmer. It likely is you've got a mix level on the Timeline that is allowing audio to be at correct level, but level in Trimmer is the untouched, actual audio level.

Yi Fong Yu · March 22nd, 2006, 09:43 AM

is it due to limitations of wmv, mpeg2, etc. that it can't be network rendered?

if so, what use is network anyway?

Seth Bloombaum · March 22nd, 2006, 11:25 AM

Adding to the suggestions in the post Edward referred to:

4) Rescaling (one pixel rez on the timeline, rendering to a different pixel rez) is one of the applications in which choosing "best" in the rendering custom settings may help. Be prepared for longer rendering times - try a short test first to see if this helps.

5) Gaussian Blur is good, as Douglas suggested, I've also been using unsharp mask in photoshop/paintshop pro to prepare stills. Many times I have higher rez stills on the timeline so I can do moves on them. Not sure if this works as well for digital stills as it does for scans.

SB

George Vick · March 22nd, 2006, 11:38 AM

Ok, Ill give it a try tonight. Thanks.

Vasilis Stamkopoulos · March 22nd, 2006, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

If that's a Vegas 6 VEG file, he won't be able to open it in Vegas 5.

stupid me didn't noticed George has mentioned V5 if I had so, I would have done it in V5. sorry george.
Btw what camcorder did you shoot the video? I'd like to know cause I'm planning of buying one soon.

March 22nd, 2006, 01:11 AM	#918
Mitja Popovski Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 38	audio level in trimmer is very low hi my audio level in trimmer is very low, but not in timeline. How can i put it to normal level?

March 22nd, 2006, 01:52 AM	#919
George Vick Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33	Need help on a transition..... I'm using vegas 5. I just started editing a music video we shot over the past few days and I'm having trouble with a flash transition(at the 30 sec mark). I only want it to be in the letterbox but it's in the entire frame. Any ideas? http://www.millenniumbmx.com/2nd verse_1000k.wmv

March 22nd, 2006, 08:18 AM	#924
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If that's a Vegas 6 VEG file, he won't be able to open it in Vegas 5. As Vasilis was saying, just add another video track above all other tracks and put a mask on that track. Then you won't have to worry about anything showing up in that area no matter which track it is on. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 22nd, 2006, 08:24 AM	#925
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=54275 __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 22nd, 2006, 08:42 AM	#926
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	You can't do anything with the audio levels in Trimmer. It likely is you've got a mix level on the Timeline that is allowing audio to be at correct level, but level in Trimmer is the untouched, actual audio level. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

March 21st, 2006, 10:33 PM	#916
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	1) vegas must be installed on both ( total 3) computers 2) Vegas has the cineform codec within it ... 3) magic bullet needs to be installed on all computers .. also any other plugins would need to be installed on all computers network rendering doesn't help render to WMV or mpeg2 or ac3 it isn't so much the files size over the network but how fast can the CPU render a frame ... if you have NO effects or FX's that take up little CPU then a 100 network will NOT keep up and would slow the rendering of the project. if you were rendering to avi .. and say you have heavy CC, magic bullet and few other effects then even a 100 network would NOT have any problem keeping up with the CPU's rendering ? if you see it is taking 1-10 sec to render a frame then a gigabyte network isn't going to make it any faster. basically if you can count the frames (verbal or in your mind - look bottom right V preview) as vegas renders them then it is NOT using the full 100 network speed. also under network rendering it has to "stitch" all the pieces togther when it finishes rendering .. sometime i use 4-6 computers and can spit out a render in 10 min but it might take another 6 min to stitch it together into one clip ..

March 21st, 2006, 11:40 PM	#917
Tom Johnson Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 82	yeah ...thanks for the answer. Man whats your power bill with 6 computers going on...lol...I'll just click render on one machine and go to sleep for the night...lol

March 22nd, 2006, 03:07 AM	#920
Vasilis Stamkopoulos Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 31	What will be the export format(16:9)? I guess you have 16:9 footage on a 4:3 project. You can go file>properties and select a widescreen template(apply) and then right-click on the video preview and check "simulate device aspect ratio". This might be a solution...

March 22nd, 2006, 03:46 AM	#921
Vasilis Stamkopoulos Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 31	The vasst website is what you need. The path is vasst.com>free resources>Project files (but you just have to sign-up before) There are a lot of *.veg files to try. http://www.vasst.com/search.aspx?type=1

March 22nd, 2006, 07:07 AM	#922
George Vick Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33	The video is in 4:3. I just cropped it to siimulate a 16:9 look. I tried your suggestion and no luck. It just stretched the video to the full frame.

March 22nd, 2006, 07:54 AM	#923
Vasilis Stamkopoulos Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 31	Ah! I see... You can insert a black solid color chart (from the media generator) above your timeline in a new video track and with a duration as long as your transition is. Go to the event pan/crop tool of this chart and make two rectangle masks, top and bottom of the screen (assuming these are the black stripes that gives you the "widescreen" feeling. This works for me in vegas6 but a can't give you the x.y numbers of the rectangle's anchors because I am in PAL and I'm not familiar with the NTSC dimensions of DV. Experiment and you'll see. check this *.veg I uploaded to help you www.geocities.com/stamvas1/Untitled.zip

March 22nd, 2006, 09:43 AM	#927
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	is it due to limitations of wmv, mpeg2, etc. that it can't be network rendered? if so, what use is network anyway? __________________ bow wow wow

March 22nd, 2006, 11:25 AM	#928
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Adding to the suggestions in the post Edward referred to: 4) Rescaling (one pixel rez on the timeline, rendering to a different pixel rez) is one of the applications in which choosing "best" in the rendering custom settings may help. Be prepared for longer rendering times - try a short test first to see if this helps. 5) Gaussian Blur is good, as Douglas suggested, I've also been using unsharp mask in photoshop/paintshop pro to prepare stills. Many times I have higher rez stills on the timeline so I can do moves on them. Not sure if this works as well for digital stills as it does for scans. SB

March 22nd, 2006, 11:38 AM	#929
George Vick Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33	Ok, Ill give it a try tonight. Thanks.